Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[traderjake]

When was the west going to upgrade on east equipment had we shut the doors? NEVER. That's the problem with that argument. Again, you ignore the windfall of that report, the delay or never achieving WB captain, the longer time on reserve, the holidays and vacations lost, all at the expense of east pilots.

When was the East going to upgrade had we shut the doors?

It's one company now, you don't get to pretend it's still two and keep the good stuff you want all for yourself.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Not sure what your point is.

ALL west new hires have the qualifications to be a captain. If fact almost all were captains somewhere else when we got hired. Can the same be said for the 23 year old charity hires of the kids of us airways pilots?

But what is more concerning is the statement if it is true that an official union publication that is legally required to represent all pilots fairly and equally. Would write "take that you inferior TWA scum.

Will you be ok with take that you inferior east scum written by the APA? Is that acceptable to you? Believe that the APA is treating you fairly?

You guys better understand you are not going to be the majority anymore.

The point? Why have a seniority list? We don't need one anymore.

New hire pilots HAVE what it takes to be "Captain" so why even value time. Like you said, we can have "charity hires" who can do the same job.

Who hires the pilot....the company or the union?

 

[end_of_alpa]

When was the East going to upgrade had we shut the doors?

It's one company now, you don't get to pretend it's still two and keep the good stuff you want all for yourself.

We're competing with each other now, Dan. You just don't seem to get it.

I'm not pretending, just a reality check. BTW, we didn't shut the doors. We took a pay cut to keep them open and because YOU devalued yourself instead of "taking one for the gipper" everyone else thinks your worth or value is less than theirs as a result.

I know, over your head, as usual.

 

[traderjake]

I know, over your head, as usual.

Sorry, I'm just not buying your garbage.

Keep trying though, maybe some other fool will.

 

[end_of_alpa]

The overwhelming probability is that no court or arbitrator will allow USAPA to make a Reserve F/O senior to a Captain on the same airplane.

APA is not going to negotiate that either.

That's my prediction.

So why have a union, if everyone is a captain? BTW, I have several arbitrations that did just that. The Republic/Frontier/Midwest/Lynx did that. You want a copy?

 

[end_of_alpa]

Sorry, I'm just not buying your garbage.

Keep trying though, maybe some other fool will.

Garbage. Kind of like "Normal"....it's what everyone else is and you're not.

 

[traderjake]

Garbage. Kind of like "Normal"....it's what everyone else is and you're not.

Your avatar suits you, delusional and self-righteous.

Enjoy your "Normal".

 

[Pi brat]

Hey Dave. Is the 10-k wrong? Yes or no?

Is it? Is it wrong???

You really need to stop confusing them with facts. Good God man, they worked for the mighty, unstoppable America West Airlines. Great recession be damned, they would have continued their meteoric climb forever!

 

[Phoenix]

So whatever the APA wants is OK with you?

They have already said DOH is not going to work. Are you going to paddle in the direction of relative seniority this time?

What are you talking about? Don't you understand ripeness? After all that money and all those lessons do you not understand ripeness? For now, paddle whatever direction you want, it's a free country, and lawyers need to eat too.

 

[cleardirect]

So East new hires DON'T?

I did not say that. You are the one banging the drum for some unknown reason.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Your avatar suits you.

Enjoy your "Normal".

Thanks. I chose the avatar for a reason.....because that is the level pilots like you reason. Enjoy your "garbage".

 

[cleardirect]

You really need to stop confusing them with facts. Good God man, they worked for the mighty, unstoppable America West Airlines. Great recession be damned, they would have continued their meteoric climb forever!

And the east had so much value that it would have never closed the doors.

Ignore the two BK filings and the monumental losses.

 

[Pi brat]

When was the East going to upgrade had we shut the doors?

It's one company now, you don't get to pretend it's still two and keep the good stuff you want all for yourself.

When was the west going to upgrade in DCA,PHL or CLT had we shut the doors? We didn't, so why does that make a difference? You are a stock trader so what do you think AWA's prospects were? Why did Parker do this merger if not for AWA's benefit?

A lot of people argue that AA would have been in trouble had they kept their old management and tried their corner strategy. Maybe they should give us all their stuff since we obviously saved them, right?

 

[Phoenix]

So why have a union, if everyone is a captain? BTW, I have several arbitrations that did just that. The Republic/Frontier/Midwest/Lynx did that. You want a copy?

Please say whatever you want but can you quit with the facts already? It's not nice to expose emotional dreamers.

 

[end_of_alpa]

ALL west new hires have the qualifications to be a captain. If fact almost all were captains somewhere else when we got hired. Can the same be said for the 23 year old charity hires of the kids of us airways pilots?

You implied East new hires DON'T have the qualifications. N'est pas?