Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Walmartgreeter]

HA!!! Look at all the negetive votes!! Man, I don't know what's in the Water out East but it sure as Sh*t isn't reality. Let me guess, that Investment Banker was Senile? Desert something, ignorant, insane....what else?

I bet you spewed your Mountain Dew all over your Xbox controller. Really, how old are you? "votes" on a website?

At least pick up those sticky Kleenex and Slim Jim wrappers before your Mom cleans your room.

Greeter

 

[flyer63]

Not to mention those little places Laguardia & Boston! GONE!! 24% of "your" flying? It stopped being your flying in 2005. Get over it Cupcake. If you are that wrapped around the axle over 24%, wait until you see what happens this year. Maybe you should consider a change of "career". SYIC.

LGA and BOS flying is not gone. We operate the same number of BOS PHL, BOS CLT, the shuttle etc. what is gone is the crew base. We did give up the Caribbean out of BOS except for some Saturday MBJ And PUJ. But that was added after the merger

but LAS was dismantled. we used to do 4RT tomLAS out of BOS. That was your flying and that is what is really gone.. Dip xxxx

 

[Metroyet]

Metro?

No need for the call, He knows we're all hypocrites .
You truly are the Master of the Obvious !
Any more words of wisdom to share ?

FA

Ok, so if "All" of us are Hypocrits, exactly HOW in the seniority situation are the West pilots guilty of anything? What was it they did wrong? What was the agreement? What exactly was the intention of turning to Nicolau? What underhanded maneuver did the West use to attempt to gain something that was so far outside the original agreement to be considered a DFR by a neutral Arbitrator, Two Neutrals, and a Neutral Jury and Neutral Judges?

Please, in the name of Jesus, tell me how righteous you are and defend your position whereby you use your simple majority to steal that which was never, under any circumstance or agreement, supposed to be yours. Amen.

 

[fatherabraham]

West crew training for the 330.

Clear,

Good for you, you will have plenty of wailing time here.

FA

 

[Claxon]

West crew training for the 330.

They decided to paint the next three in legacy paint jobs for future closed bases. Problem is this: the French were confused when AA told them to name them all The City of Phoenix....

 

[Walmartgreeter]

Ok, so if "All" of us are Hypocrits, exactly HOW in the seniority situation are the West pilots guilty of anything? What was it they did wrong? What was the agreement? What exactly was the intention of turning to Nicolau? What underhanded maneuver did the West use to attempt to gain something that was so far outside the original agreement to be considered a DFR by a neutral Arbitrator, Two Neutrals, and a Neutral Jury and Neutral Judges?

Please, in the name of Jesus, tell me how righteous you are and defend your position whereby you use your simple majority to steal that which was never, under any circumstance or agreement, supposed to be yours. Amen.

You cannot and will not ever put a new hire ahead of a 17 year continuous service pilot. Never. For any reason, logic, or supposed ethic.

It's that simple.

Greeter

 

[Walmartgreeter]

They decided to paint the next three in legacy paint jobs for future closed bases. Problem is this: the French were confused when AA told them to name them all The City of Phoenix....

Clax, you are usually over the top, but that was just plain funny.

I don't fly the big birds, but is it true what "cactus" means to the French ATC?

Greeter

 

[end_of_alpa]

The investment banker that I was speaking about interviewed at USAPA to be a resource for USAPA for this merger with AA. This particular IB happened to work for US Air during the US Air bankruptcy. When asked when/how quickly US Air would emerge stand alone from bankruptcy, he chuckled and stated that were it not for America West Holdings and Doug Parker...US Air would have been DONE. One of the DDR's for one of our bases attempted to correct him. He reiterated that US Air was toast without the financial help of AWA Holdings.

I had AWA stock. It was doing OK. The merge made it mo' betta. Final story: US Air was toast. AWA was holding its own. The only statement that you have to the contrary is the cherry picked statement from Parker. Industry "experts" testified during the Nicolau arbitration that AWA was doing quite well in a post 9/11 travel industry.

All that is behind us. The fact remains that the larger pilot group has chosen not to abide by the agreed upon process and final product of that process. We are simply defending our position. We stand firmly on moral, ethical, & legal high ground.

SYIC. It's going to be entertaining to be sure.

I am not debating the first paragraph.

As far as the second paragraph, If you owned stock, you got the 10-k. I quoted the 10-k. I do not care what your industry experts testified at the Nicolau arbitration, the10-k I JUST QUOTED says it all.

As far as the last paragraph, the East MEC and the West MEC under ALPA "agreed" to a process that ALPA national couldn't deliver.

I have a question, though, since you were "in the know".

Why didn't AOL sue ALPA?

 

[end_of_alpa]

HA!!! Look at all the negetive votes!! Man, I don't know what's in the Water out East but it sure as Sh*t isn't reality. Let me guess, that Investment Banker was Senile? Desert something, ignorant, insane....what else?

Oh yeah! Negative votes confirm fact or fiction. You just can't make this stuff up. -8 negative votes. That must be a majority according to AOL.

Must be the Posinelli/Shugart decision tree.

 

[fatherabraham]

Ok, so if "All" of us are Hypocrits, exactly HOW in the seniority situation are the West pilots guilty of anything? What was it they did wrong? What was the agreement? What exactly was the intention of turning to Nicolau? What underhanded maneuver did the West use to attempt to gain something that was so far outside the original agreement to be considered a DFR by a neutral Arbitrator, Two Neutrals, and a Neutral Jury and Neutral Judges?

Please, in the name of Jesus, tell me how righteous you are and defend your position whereby you use your simple majority to steal that which was never, under any circumstance or agreement, supposed to be yours. Amen.

Metro?,

Those quotes were from:

You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
Judaism and Christianity. Bible, Leviticus 19.18

Whatever you wish that men would do to you, do so to them.
Bible, Matthew 7.12

Not one of you is a believer until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself.
Islam. Forty Hadith of an-Nawawi 13

Try your best to treat others as you would wish to be treated yourself, and you will find that this is the shortest way to benevolence.
Confucianism. Mencius VII.A.4

One should not behave towards others in a way which is disagreeable to oneself. This is the essence of morality. All other activities are due to selfish desire.
Hinduism. Mahabharata, Anusasana Parva 113.8

Tsekung asked, "Is there one word that can serve as a principle of conduct for life?" Confucius replied, "It is the word shu--reciprocity:
Do not do to others what you do not want them to do to you.
Confucianism. Analects 15.23

Note that I referenced several authors here as mankind in general accepts all these basic principals.

You ask above:

" Please, in the name of Jesus, tell me how righteous you are and ......"

My reply:

“There is no one righteous, not even one;
11there is no one who understands;
there is no one who seeks God.
12All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.”

So brother, no need for me to rehash what you've already heard for 7 years.
No MOTO comment from me.
I will however refrain from labeling you guilty as you ask above. Not my purview to consider nor is it a winnable exercise on either side.

Interesting that your words ended with Amen.
Below a typical definition:

The Hebrew word, amen, means “surely, indeed, truly.” It derives from a root form, aman, which signifies “to be firm, steady, trustworthy, faithful”

I play a lot of poker with West type posters. They never show their cards or " act " clever by showing one of 2. Then they more than most ask about my hand. Ya want info......ya gotta pay for it!
For example all the questions above or the ad nauseam LUP request.
Then there' s the :
"Have you stopped beating your wife" type question.
You tried a bit of that lame questioning above as well.

Ok......rant over.

FA

 

[traderjake]

You cannot and will not ever put a new hire ahead of a 17 year continuous service pilot. Never. For any reason, logic, or supposed ethic.

You'll never put a Reserve First Officer ahead of a Captain on the same airplane.

APA will never negotiate a DOH seniority list.

It's that simple.

 

[snapthis]

You'll never put a Reserve First Officer ahead of a Captain on the same airplane.

APA will never accept a DOH seniority list.

It's that simple.

Trader, thanks for standing up for the profession and sticking by your guns.

 

[Phoenix]

Its simple, let all three (four, five, six, seven?) groups have whatever seniority list they want to have, as long as they are in their own base(s) that they brought to the merger. Let any pilot go to whatever base they want, at the seniority dictated by the base they go to. No protection for base closures, because if it closes they didn't bring it.

Ya see... your seniority in Wilmington, Boston, and Las Vegas still counts for what it is worth.

 

[cleardirect]

Its simple, let all three (four, five, six, seven?) groups have whatever seniority list they want to have, as long as they are in their own base(s) that they brought to the merger. Let any pilot go to whatever base they want, at the seniority dictated by the base they go to. No protection for base closures, because if it closes they didn't bring it.

Ya see... your seniority in Wilmington, Boston, and Las Vegas still counts for what it is worth.

For someone that has gone through so many mergers it amazes me you can't understand what it means to merge and be one airline.

No doubt why you east pilots are constantly fighting among yourselves. Never learned to play together.

A merger means merging and working together. Not taking your ball and going to your corner.

 

[Phoenix]

A merger means merging and working together...

Yeah, go with whatever the majority decides is righteous. Its the only way to work together for peace, tranquility, and prosperity. Paddle in the same direction as the majority or splash a lot of water into the boat. Its as simple as that.