Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Walmartgreeter]

Internal union dispute is pure comedy.

It's your club, y'all write what you want in your meaningless constitution. We've seen the internal union dispute and it has more to do with shoving people into metal door frames.

Internal union dispute=dysfunction.

That's your legacy.

Good. That settles that, no internal dispute. Almost done.

Greeter

 

[cactusboy53]

The company reported it.

http://www.sec.gov/A...p73523e10vk.htm
Despite high fuel costs throughout the year, the airline industry is expected to report an annual profit in 2006, excluding special items and bankruptcy-related costs, for the first time since the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001. While the industry continued to focus on structural changes through cost containment and fleet rationalization, airlines were able to pass some of the fuel price cost increase on to passengers through higher fares.

http://www.sec.gov/A...p72019e10vk.htm
Fares remained at or near historically low levels, although the rising cost of fuel did lead to increased fares toward the latter part of 2005. Whether demand can remain at historically high levels in the face of rising fares is unclear, but as domestic capacity continues to rationalize through fleet reductions and the redeployment of aircraft to international markets, the likelihood of further fare restructurings such as Delta Air Lines’ Simplifare program, a pricing scheme introduced in January 2005 that generally lowered fares significantly and reduced restrictions on discount fares, seems to be diminishing.

Thanks Jamie! You made my argument for me. We all know that in 2005 US Air was in Chapter 11 and moving swiftly toward Chapter 7 (this in fact per the investment banker that interviewed @ USAPA last year). So according to your post "the airline industry is expected to report an annual profit in 2006, excluding special items and bankruptcy-related costs, for the first time since the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001" (including the venerable America West Airlines!).

May 2005: AWA hiring, growing, getting new airplanes & routes, & upgrading Captains at 6.5 years. Doug Parker...the industry darling.

CB

 

[Phoenix]

Funny how when we discussed Operation Orange just before the MOU vote everyone blew this off. Sorry, my statement they would do this was off by a month.

I'm not sure which is worse... that you were off by a month or the everyone is still blowing it off.

 

[snapthis]

Good. That settles that, no internal dispute. Almost done.

Greeter

I just read the legal update....Pathetic. You come across as a bunch of crybabies. I think pilots can read the court docs themselves without editing from members of the politburo.

Unreal.

 

[fatherabraham]

I am not ignorant, just stating the facts.

Why would American want a merger with US?

Parker told me personally he did not let US fold because Southwest would have gotten the best parts and AWA would have gotten the crumbs.

AWA had no money but we all know Parker is good at getting it.

Calling your failed carrier scumbagairways does make me feel better because I once worked for a good carrier which has since been dragged down into the gutter..... by scumbagairways and I can remind myself that I never wanted to work for scumbagairways.

Embrace your anger, Pi, it's cleansing.

Ames,

Pi is being overly pc with you proving his points vs your childish insults.
Surprised you don't just disappear for a while before your peers start skipping your post as I do.

FA

 

[fatherabraham]

APA doesn't want DOH so they don't care about the internal order of our seniority list.

You are wrong, they are not stupid.
Pull your head out........whatever the final sli, age thereafter is significant .
This obvious fact has been pointed out many times......are you just slow?

FA

 

[Metroyet]

APA is going to do exactly as the court orders. Nobody cares what APA USAPA or either Company wants. This is ripe, and heading to court. You East guys are convinced you have nothing to worry about....despite all possible warning signs. You know...like "dangerous ground" and all?

Cool your Jets, the Honorable so and so will be giving all of you instructions soon enough.

 

[Pi brat]

Thanks Jamie! You made my argument for me. We all know that in 2005 US Air was in Chapter 11 and moving swiftly toward Chapter 7 (this in fact per the investment banker that interviewed @ USAPA last year). So according to your post "the airline industry is expected to report an annual profit in 2006, excluding special items and bankruptcy-related costs, for the first time since the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001" (including the venerable America West Airlines!).

May 2005: AWA hiring, growing, getting new airplanes & routes, & upgrading Captains at 6.5 years. Doug Parker...the industry darling.

CB

Intentionally clueless?

 

[fatherabraham]

All,

Sorry in advance for following short rant.

My # 1 pet- peeve is greedy individuals attempting to cut in line.
Be it the movie, car backup, grocery, concert, ball game or seniority line!
Just screams to rest of us that you think you are more important .
Recall some famous quotes below . These have been around a lot longer than Marty H and his wisdom.

You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

Whatever you wish that men would do to you, do so to them.

Not one of you is a believer until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself.

Try your best to treat others as you would wish to be treated yourself, and you will find that this is the shortest way to benevolence.

One should not behave towards others in a way which is disagreeable to oneself. This is the essence of morality. All other activities are due to selfish

Do not do to others what you do not want them to do to you.

FA

 

[A320 Driver]

May 2005: AWA hiring, growing, getting new airplanes & routes, & upgrading Captains at 6.5 years. Doug Parker...the industry darling.

CB

A few short years later: LAS crew base and most of the flying GONE, PHX downsized to minimum fleet count and pilots on furlough propped up by a 24% shift in flying from the East. You couldn't stand the thought of an East pilot possibly getting a bid into PHX, now you can't wait to get out of the desert and move to the East bases. Amazing huh?

 

[Metroyet]

All,

Sorry in advance for following short rant.

My # 1 pet- peeve is greedy individuals attempting to cut in line.
Be it the movie, car backup, grocery, concert, ball game or seniority line!
Just screams to rest of us that you think you are more important .
Recall some famous quotes below . These have been around a lot longer than Marty H and his wisdom.

You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

Whatever you wish that men would do to you, do so to them.

Not one of you is a believer until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself.

Try your best to treat others as you would wish to be treated yourself, and you will find that this is the shortest way to benevolence.

One should not behave towards others in a way which is disagreeable to oneself. This is the essence of morality. All other activities are due to selfish

Do not do to others what you do not want them to do to you.

FA

Call up Jesus and let him know you're a hypocrit. My #1 pet peeve.

 

[CallawayGolf]

I've read the west class complaint that asserts that USAPA has now made their DFR breach ripe by way of the ratified MOU because they failed to expressly state that the NIC will be used for SLI negotiations with the APA. But I just don't see how a district court judge under the jurisdiction of the Ninth will be convinced that the harm to the west is now ripe when it was expressly determined to be not ripe prior to the MOU ratification. Where's the smoking gun evidence that shows USAPA has crossed the DFR ripeness line and that US Airways was a co-participant in that breach, thus showing collusion on Management's part? If I'm not convinced, why will a new federal judge be convinced given how reticent Silver was to provide relief on the DJ (which has entirely different and more tolerant standards for ripeness) than a DFR?

Also, given the known backlog in the Arizona district courts, why not file this in NC where USAPA has already been given an injunction in rather speedy fashion for violation the status quo?

 

[A320 Driver]

I've read the west class complaint that asserts that USAPA has now made their DFR breach ripe by way of the ratified MOU because they failed to expressly state that the NIC will be used for SLI negotiations with the APA. But I just don't see how a district court judge under the jurisdiction of the Ninth will be convinced that the harm to the west is now ripe when it was expressly determined to be not ripe prior to the MOU ratification. Where's the smoking gun evidence that shows USAPA has crossed the DFR ripeness line and that US Airways was a co-participant in that breach, thus showing collusion on Management's part? If I'm not convinced, why will a new federal judge be convinced given how reticent Silver was to provide relief on the DJ (which has entirely different and more tolerant standards for ripeness) than a DFR?

Also, given the known backlog in the Arizona district courts, why not file this in NC where USAPA has already been given an injunction in rather speedy fashion for violation the status quo?

Great questions and I'm sure you won't have to wait long for the answers from your West counterparts.

 

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What did I say that you interpret as advocating illegal actions?

You should have directed this to USAPA, not me.

Oh Dan, you're such a tool!

 

[nevergiveup]

Call up Jesus and let him know you're a hypocrit. My #1 pet peeve.

I called him and he said he loves you, move, and everyone else no matter what the outcome.