Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[nevergiveup]

The problem is, there can't legally be a 3 way. There are only 2 unions here, and you are only going to get to present 2 lists. I don't think (this situation hasn't happened before, so I could be wrong, but I doubt it) that a union can just submit any number of lists. If this goes to arbitration, I expect that it would go as Mr. Szymanski said at the roadshow, and USAPA would submit a DOH list, in accordance with the C&BLs.

I guess that is strongly possible.

 

[cactusboy53]

The Nic prevented us all from getting a contract. Now I don't think it can ever be legally used. Mr. Parker knows what the west will try to do, but he also seems quite confident in his plan. If I were a west pilot, I would be happy with a three way. If the west believes arbitration is fair, as they did with the NIC, then they should have no problem with round 2, unless they think they got a windfall in round 1.

NO. YOU prevented yourselves from getting a contract. YOU pulled away from the JCBA based on the perception that Nicolau cheated you out of DOH. YOU attempted to get ALPA to "mitigate the damages caused by Nicolau". YOU instigated and voted in USAPA in the attempt to evade the Nicolau seniority integration.

YOU have no one to blame for the lack of that 90 wunder-contract.

We'll just see what the courts have to say. I've got a decade plus to wait (although I'm a "rookie"). SYIC.

 

[nevergiveup]

Actually, refusal to accept the result of a binding arbitration has been why there has not been a new contract, not the arbitration award itself. Effectively, we have also seen a fence since the merger, 8 years now? I am not a West pilot, but I think that they should make out fairly well if they were permitted to make their own case in a three way integration. I have a sneaking suspicion that USAPA will try to find a way to abuse their authority one final time before this is all said and done.

I don't think the company ever offered enough money for the east to ratify a contract implementing the NIc, but I'm sure there is an amount that would have worked!

 

[nevergiveup]

NO. YOU prevented yourselves from getting a contract. YOU pulled away from the JCBA based on the perception that Nicolau cheated you out of DOH. YOU attempted to get ALPA to "mitigate the damages caused by Nicolau". YOU instigated and voted in USAPA in the attempt to evade the Nicolau seniority integration.

YOU have no one to blame for the lack of that 90 wunder-contract.

We'll just see what the courts have to say. I've got a decade plus to wait (although I'm a "rookie"). SYIC.

Wrong, but that's okay.

 

[Res Judicata]

Wrong, but that's okay.

More typically East aversion to responsibility. Don't worry, the rest of the World knows exactly what USCABA is. Think hard about that LUP, your day quickly approaches.

 

[nevergiveup]

More typically East aversion to responsibility. Don't worry, the rest of the World knows exactly what USCABA is. Think hard about that LUP, your day quickly approaches.

Lup.....to help Res Judicata!

 

[EastUS1]

Don't worry, the rest of the World knows......

Thanks. That's the best entry for the Joke of the Day thus far. It's been my lifetime experience that any room with 3 or more people unfailingly contains some difference of opinions within.

Res: "your day quickly approaches." Rut Roh! Raise the drawbridge! Archers to the walls! Get that oil boiling! The dreaded Dire Wolves are coming!

 

[Claxon]

NO. YOU prevented yourselves from getting a contract. YOU pulled away from the JCBA based on the perception that Nicolau cheated you out of DOH. YOU attempted to get ALPA to "mitigate the damages caused by Nicolau". YOU instigated and voted in USAPA in the attempt to evade the Nicolau seniority integration.

YOU have no one to blame for the lack of that 90 wunder-contract.

We'll just see what the courts have to say. I've got a decade plus to wait (although I'm a "rookie"). SYIC.

You are to blame with the divide you gave Parker on pay. That gave the eastern div. pilots the insight to realize your intent. Stupidest move ever, and it cost you your Nic. Your leadership stepped on their cranks, and Marty was too stupid to guide you. When this is over, it will be one more mistake that cost you your prize. It all started at Wye River. You totally underestimated the eastern group and they have won the war. SYIC means another Benz for Mrs. Harper. How many have you bought her? One a year for sure. College for the kids too!

 

[Claxon]

Lup.....to help Res Judicata!

American HR is worried about the riff raff they are getting through this deal.

 

[Claxon]

More typically East aversion to responsibility. Don't worry, the rest of the World knows exactly what USCABA is. Think hard about that LUP, your day quickly approaches.

Did Marty plant that new thought in you? That is precious.

 

[Hate2fly]

Harper is a genius. The army continues to raise money for another pipe dream. Wake and Silver wanted to deliver and were both denied. Federal Judges cannot tell a labor union how to bargain. Period. End of story.

Hate

 

[Beancounter]

[background=rgb(245, 245, 245)] The timeline below illustrates what we can expect to happen over the next six months as the plan of reorganization is completed and the corporation moves through the approval process and eventually exits bankruptcy (most likely in the third quarter, but all dates are estimates). If and when the plan of reorganization is approved, we will then petition for single carrier status and begin negotiations toward a joint collective bargaining agreement and eventually negotiate/arbitrate an integrated seniority list. This entire process is expected to take 18 to 24 months before it is completed. Feb. 20, 2013 [/background]​

• Filing of motion to approve merger agreement and support and settlement agreement

Week of Feb. 18, 2013

• Hart-Scott-Rodino (HSR) filing (legal antitrust review by Department of Justice)

March 22, 2013
(30 days after the filing of the motion)

• Bankruptcy court hearing on approval of merger agreement and support and settlement agreement

Week of March 25, 2013
(30 days after the initial HSR filing)

• DOJ issues second request to AMR and LCC requesting additional information regarding the merger

April 21, 2013
(30 days after the approval of the merger agreement)

• Debtors file plan of reorganization (“Plan&rdquo that provides for, among other things, the treatment of claims and consummation of the merger transaction
  
• Debtors file disclosure statement, which provides a history of the debtors and bankruptcy cases, an explanation of the Plan and treatment of creditors and why the debtors believe the Plan is feasible and the best option available
  
• Debtors file a motion to approve the disclosure statement that requests, among other things, approval of the disclosure statement, approval of the voting procedures and a schedule for the confirmation of the Plan

Week of May 27, 2013
(60 days after second request from DOJ)

• AMR and LCC respond to second request from DOJ for information regarding the Plan

Week of June 26, 2013
(30 days after responses to second request from DOJ)

• Deadline for DOJ to decide to block merger or not. If it does not block or reach extension of time to consider merger with LCC and AMR, the parties can close on the merger
  
• Ordinarily DOJ will ask for extension of time and it will be granted by the parties
  
• It is estimated that DOJ will make a decision between late June and late September

July 5, 2013
(75 days after the filing of the disclosure statement and Plan)

• Hearing before bankruptcy court to consider approval of the disclosure statement
  • Court will consider whether the disclosure statement contains adequate information as required by the bankruptcy code
    
  • Objections to approval of the disclosure statement will be due approximately seven days prior to the hearing

Week of July 7

• Distribution to creditors of the disclosure statement, Plan and ballots for voting by UCC with respect to the Plan

Beginning of August

• Voting deadline
  • All impaired classes (except those deemed to reject because they will receive no distribution) are entitled to vote
    
  • With respect to each impaired class of claims, the entire class of claims is deemed to accept a Plan if the Plan is accepted by creditors that hold at least two-thirds in amount and more than one-half in number of the allowed claims in the class
• Deadline for objections to Plan

End of August/beginning of September

• Hearing before bankruptcy court to consider confirmation of the Plan
  • Court will consider objections to the Plan
    
  • Court will consider whether the Plan satisfies the requirements of Section 1129 of the bankruptcy code
    
  • If the Plan is approved, the debtor can then emerge from bankruptcy. If there is opposition to the Plan, additional delays regarding the corporation’s exit from bankruptcy are possible

Thanks for the detailed time line.

Bean

 

[Claxon]

Harper is a genius. The army continues to raise money for another pipe dream. Wake and Silver wanted to deliver and were both denied. Federal Judges cannot tell a labor union how to bargain. Period. End of story.

Hate

He runs the half baked ideas by the half assed pilot lawyers and the cash flow commences.

 

[Claxon]

They wonder why they're considered scabs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5t5aE0iW4o

 

[Beancounter]

How do you refuse to accept BINDING ARBITRATION? Simple. When it is not binding.

Claxon,

When is incredibly stupid, not stupid? The list is not in effect because we don't have a joint contract yet. We don't have a joint contract because USAPA kept passing the company a list they couldn't accept. Well, that and the embarrassing safety campaign, getting slapped with an injunction, and then parked in the corner. Really, it's that simple.

Bean