DWH Scam on the horizon
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787nightmare
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Paul1 and Duke...not that I owe either of guys any kind of an explanation, but.. would either of you guys-as a mech- enjoy working as a Scheduler in TULE?
I didn't think so...I don't know where either of you two wk, but I can tell you...any mech in TULE KNOWS the workload/pace of sch in that place!
I left a charter carrier as a traveling mech-took the AA sch job there back in 07, with the hope(and mistakenly convinced "most" mechs were recalled- by an AA mech/friend of mine at TAESL-and frankly, I was tired running my a$$ off traveling)-of getting back to my toolbox within a "reasonable" amount of time at AA. As I began talking with Leads and mechs I became friends with...it became clear I'd made a big mistake("what did I get myself into?"), was told wrong(also was amazed at the workload of a PCtl sch in TULE-unbelievable). I also found out that AA was doing more with less-with there Schedulers. AA used to have a sch on every dock out there. Now we were given 2 and 3 docks to cover by ourselves(sometimes on call for another hangar too!) That job sucked the big one and I had to get out of there fast. All for a whopping 48k annual sal. You guys wouold HATE it too. So, don't tell me about so called "hate this, hate that BS"...
The Boeing thing happened fast. I saw it as a real opportunity to get my career back on track and with a real company. They were taking pulses, hiring so fast and furious for the 787 prog. I also figured I could get further south in a reasonable timeframe(they're sitting on 787 ppl-no moves)And were we in for a big surprise when we all got to Everett.
I tell everybody I know, if I hadn't been there to see it myself, I never would've believed a company that's built aircraft for almost a century, could screw something up SO bad. Everything you've read/heard about the 787 problems, well, lets just say it's worse. Every ex-airline I guy I've met(& there are MANY) absolutely HATES the place(and are all waiting-like me- for a decent opp to get out of there-many have quit and moved on). The place is SO "not real world"& drives an airline guy crazy...zero job ownership, satisfaction and accountability. I've talked to an AA rep up there at Boeing fld, and he concurs w/ everything I've mentioned. He can't believe it either. It's unbelievable and you guys would NOT believe your eyes if you were to come up here for a week and walk in my shoes.
I was told by a good guy in TULE before I left AA..."I would never work for that company again"(he wkd for Boe EVT flt line back in the late 80s before he came to AA) I couldn't imagine what he was talking about(like you guys)
I now know what he meant! And he worked the legacy lines-not the botched exp called 787 nightmare!
I withstood the temptation of going back to NWA when they were on on strike-when i needed a job desperately-when I knew good and well I'd be received with open arms back in DTW where I wkd the line and knew Mgrs. Even when I'd been beaten down/shattered by a wrongful termination at FedEx(wking for hardlining Mgr-whos no longer at FX-they showed him the door)Yes...I talked with attorneys...they offered there condolences & said Okla's a right to wk state and an emplyr can term your emp for wrong color socks basically, filed a BK to keep from losing my house after being served eviction papers(or pay up), lost my g/mother, my mother 2 wks later, endured unbelievable stress, rejection, frustration over the top-couldn't buy a job...nearly lost my marriage......I kid you not..I was ready to go postal...and you guys think I'M a whiner??!! No...I've just been out here, while you guys have been INSIDE of AA all this time. It's a tough world out here since 9/11 lemme tell ya. You guys oughta be around some exEAL guys I've met/wkd with. They'll bite your head off in NY second. I'll tell ya what though...they're the most pro-union guys(dam good mechs too-most) you can wk with, and like me, WILL NOT cross a line-...
I've been through the acid test. How would you boys do? You never know until you've been where I've been-and others like me. It's hell. You can count on me to not cross the line should I get in and we strike...how about you??
So don't sit there in front of your PCs at home and run me down about my attitude and how I'm a whiner. I call it like I see it...and I think I'm qualified to call it. I ain't looking for no sympathy from anybody. All I want to do is get my airline career back on track and retire about 15 yrs from now. It will be SO liberating to get back to an airline, get my career back on track. Oh yeah...and help the AA mechs get rid of the worthless cancer known as the TWU that's supposed to be representing them.
Thx MCI...partner I know as much as anyone AAs not a perfect place. But at least I'll get my airline career back on track and finish my 15 yrs or so living in an area down south where I want to live! cause I'm NOT staying with the lazy B up here. Thx Bob, Ken, MCI, jetfixer and you other guys that have corrresponded with me.
I appreciate your info and encouragement.
787 nightmare
Accusing Paul1 and I of being potential scabs because I made a good decision 26 yrs ago to work for a legacy carrier instead of a charter outfit is a bit much. I never complain about working at AA, becasue I looked into the job market outside AA in 2003 and saw nothing better then AA even at 2003 rates.
I wish the other guys on this forum would have gone through what you have, to relise how bad it could be. kind of like the TWA, pan am, and EAL mechs.
AAR is hiring in OKC and there is a company converting ailiners into freighters (our S80's) at MIA if you're interested, it won't be at AA rates but it's better then nothing.
Accusing Paul1 and I of being potential scabs because I made a good decision 26 yrs ago to work for a legacy carrier instead of a charter outfit is a bit much. I never complain about working at AA, becasue I looked into the job market outside AA in 2003 and saw nothing better then AA even at 2003 rates.
I wish the other guys on this forum would have gone through what you have, to relise how bad it could be. kind of like the TWA, pan am, and EAL mechs.
AAR is hiring in OKC and there is a company converting ailiners into freighters (our S80's) at MIA if you're interested, it won't be at AA rates but it's better then nothing.
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Yeah, and saying or doing nothing @ AA will soon makes us just like AAR-TIMCO-DEE HOWARD-TRAMCO-ect-ect-ect. If I wanted to work at a MRO I would have chosen one 25 years ago.If AA management does not change their ways real soon we will wind up like Braniff-Eastern-TWA-Pan Am.
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"Duke"...I don't know where you get that I was accusing you two(or anybody) of being potential scabs...
I was merely posing the question to you guys(and anybody else), so that you'd have an idea of where i've been and gone through. It just rubbed my fur the wrong way to see you two start in on me about my attitude and being a "whiner".
And for the record, I've worked for 3 different airlines 1 express freighthauler and 1 charter(World), including my tour with AA as a scheduler. I wkd for World for a yr and a half before AA called. I wished I'd never left CO back in 92 for NWA now....but CO was an awfully bad place to be back then.
I would never insinuate somebody being a scab, until they prove themselves to be so Duke. No implications.
Btw, no thanks for tips of those jobs. I'm not that desperate.
I'll leave Boeing for AA, DL, UP or WN-about it. But thanks for the heads up...
Let's move on. I'm hoping to be a coworker with you guys!
"telebender"...you speaketh the truth brother.
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Just GREAT! Dammit! :angry:
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there are not even a 103 heads there yet.
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Who put out the word?
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We were told about this last night by the local union president Larry Pike , he was making his way dock to dock going base wide telling folks ....
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Any rhyme or reason? Did AA plans change regarding outsourcing? Since there will be no legislation restriciting the outsourcing of maintenance by domestic carriers, maybe AA finally had decided to outsource all heavy maintenance, and the need for DWH had just diminished overnight.
Will it be TULE MRO or OVERSEAS MRO?
You decide!
Will it be TULE MRO or OVERSEAS MRO?
You decide!
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Kind of curious to know where he got the info from.
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To me there was no creditable reason for this RIF, But it was never mentioned that they were going to close DWH , so nobody really knows whats going to happen after the RIF, my guess is only upper management knows and even then i don't think they know what they are doing half the times !! apparently this is a perfect example of it !!! Why would you move folks down here and in a few months RIF them again , whats with that ??? Gezzzzzzz
