Aw Tables Resolution-agrees To Doh

[TheNewLowFare]

I don't think Clue-by-four works for an airline.

I think when its time to blend the contracts, maybe we should look at some of WNs workrules. They have the rotating reserve, and they also have the ability to drop/pick up trips from other bases. AND they can swap bases as frequently as possible.
One gal I know who lives in PHX, holds a better schedule in BWI, then trades all her trips away and picks up what she wants from PHX.

After all, if they don't want to pay us much more, they should make things as flexible for us as possible, especially if its something that won't really cost them anything.

I agree Desertgal. My friend who works for Southwest is based in BWI and he's been there 8 years as a Flight Attendant. He commutes from Phoenix and drops all his trips in BWI to pick up trips in PHX. He said he'd be reserve in phoenix if he transfers, so he just chose to drop and pick up personal trade trips in OAK and PHX from their EBT system. I think if we could do this, it would aleviate most of the fears of the America West F/As.

 

[tahitigirl]

I'm happy that's over with!!!

What about creating more lines of flying so people don't have to sit on reserve for 20 years? Does there really need to be so much open time?

Reserves should be just that. A person you call to work for irregular operations. USeast has the most inefficient scheduling system. We are the only airline that reschedules itself every day. :wacko:

 

[etops1]

i heard that at us/west the lead f/a cannot go past row 8. if they do they can get into trouble. i also heard that if you are on a four day trip and you call in sick it's considered 4 sick calls as each day on the trip is considered a 4 day . is this true? sounds weird to me.

i meant each day on the trip is considered one sick call day.

 

[l8rd8r]

Great forum....thanks for the info.

LETS CREATE the new reserve system here. I'm 27yr (psa) and the reserve system has sucked for all our reserves forever. You guys have the knowledge and experience to make ours one that could be enjoyed by all. The flexibility to choose what base you could fly out of would fabulous. It would end the threat of people mass moving to transfer to PHX. West f/a's are young and vital (I'm 52) with that lust for travel they'd love to pick up int'l trips to vacation. I vote we create a fabulous reserve system and use our voting power to embrace our new sisters/brothers and protect there joy of flying. It would also help our east reserves with a much needed attitude lift. God knows we need it. Solidarity rules. Lets rock this place.
PS...the pilots are hoping for a "you too" with DOH

 

[etops1]

you mean "me too"?

 

[EyeInTheSky]

DOH is a lot of things. Fair it ain't.

C'mon Clue! The entire aviation industry from Boston to Bangkok is based on a senority system. There has to be a line drawn somewhere. What ideas do you have?

 

[Twicebaked]

NO, but we have brought up that subject to our local LEC. Would be nice to be able to pick up an ETB from PHL, I'd be picking up Intn'l trips...heehee. My personal opinion is, if they can assign me an out of base trip, then I should be able to pick one up on my days off from the ETB. What difference should it make to the company, the trip is covered, thats all they need to be concerned with, its my responsiblity to get there, just like its my responsibility to get to my own base for any other trip.

I personally don't agree with that. Why should a flight attendant the did not voluntarily transfer or get displaced to a base that they cleary don't want to be in (because they would already be here) be able to STEAL the trips off of those who got sent and/or transfered???? We are to big to allow something like that.

 

[furloughednow psa]

The next step is working on an integrated contract. Let's hope AFA can put any differences behind them and work together for the sake of our new, larger, fantastic flight attendant group!

Now that that's settled, will they discuss the possibility of US furloughees going to the HP side until recall? Alot of people are considering this but it depends on how pay and longevity accrual are handled. After the "MidAtlantic" fiasco, no one needs to be working the line and not getting credit for it.

In other news from the BOD meeting, they are trying to get the 170 Division contract printed. A little bit like naming a child after you put it up for adoption, but the AFA and the company are obviously trying to cover themselves from the independent lawsuit, and throw in some F/A-unfriendly scope and successorship language. I don't see any benefit for the membership at this point, but perhaps the AFA hopes they can get better language in it? Who knows

When do they start negotiating a new contract to cover east and west and when does it go into effect? At integration or earlier?

what if your furloughed and have been furloughed for over three years where do you fall in at?????

 

[Twicebaked]

i heard that at us/west the lead f/a cannot go past row 8. if they do they can get into trouble. i also heard that if you are on a four day trip and you call in sick it's considered 4 sick calls as each day on the trip is considered a 4 day . is this true? sounds weird to me.

i meant each day on the trip is considered one sick call day.

From what I was told by a East US f/a supervisor, we are going with the old US work rules and service procedures. The row 8 thing is not in our work rules, so I would assume that that would be gone. I dunno???

 

[proudf/a]

I personally don't agree with that. Why should a flight attendant the did not voluntarily transfer or get displaced to a base that they cleary don't want to be in (because they would already be here) be able to STEAL the trips off of those who got sent and/or transfered???? We are to big to allow something like that.

Obviously you didnt see the post that i was responding too. AWA reserves that are in LAS are allowed to pick up trips that are open in PHX. Someone was asking if Ueast f/a's are allowed to pick up trips from another base. That answer is NO. But as a 20 yr reserve in PIT who has many times gotten assigned out of base PHL trips, I responded that I think we should be allowed to pick up ETB trips in other bases, they can assign me to fly out of base trips. When it is at company convenience they can send us over their to cover their butts, but we cant do it at our convenience. What difference does it make...if all those f/a's in other bases would pick up trips there would be no need to send dozens of out of base f/a's there to cover them.

 

[Twicebaked]

Obviously you didnt see the post that i was responding too. AWA reserves that are in LAS are allowed to pick up trips that are open in PHX. Someone was asking if Ueast f/a's are allowed to pick up trips from another base. That answer is NO. But as a 20 yr reserve in PIT who has many times gotten assigned out of base PHL trips, I responded that I think we should be allowed to pick up ETB trips in other bases, they can assign me to fly out of base trips. When it is at company convenience they can send us over their to cover their butts, but we cant do it at our convenience. What difference does it make...if all those f/a's in other bases would pick up trips there would be no need to send dozens of out of base f/a's there to cover them.

I read it and I still don't think you should be able to pick up a trip off the ETB (especailly the INT) when they belong to another base. Those of us that are in PHL like those trips. Okay, let me make this deal with you...let me go back to PIT and let me steal your trips. You live in a crashpad over here in PHL with tons of people and only be back in PIT 9 days a month. No ETB trips for you, because me being in PIT, I took them off of you. See my point??

 

[USstew23]

I don't think Clue-by-four works for an airline.

I think when its time to blend the contracts, maybe we should look at some of WNs workrules. They have the rotating reserve, and they also have the ability to drop/pick up trips from other bases. AND they can swap bases as frequently as possible.
One gal I know who lives in PHX, holds a better schedule in BWI, then trades all her trips away and picks up what she wants from PHX.

After all, if they don't want to pay us much more, they should make things as flexible for us as possible, especially if its something that won't really cost them anything.

Right on. Even if we're not overly paid at least to have quality of life would do wonders.

 

[tahitigirl]

I read it and I still don't think you should be able to pick up a trip off the ETB (especailly the INT) when they belong to another base. Those of us that are in PHL like those trips. Okay, let me make this deal with you...let me go back to PIT and let me steal your trips. You live in a crashpad over here in PHL with tons of people and only be back in PIT 9 days a month. No ETB trips for you, because me being in PIT, I took them off of you. See my point??

The problem is not all F/A are trained on all equipment or on int. service. If you are based in PHL you also have to have a French visa to work CDG.

 

[proudf/a]

I read it and I still don't think you should be able to pick up a trip off the ETB (especailly the INT) when they belong to another base. Those of us that are in PHL like those trips. Okay, let me make this deal with you...let me go back to PIT and let me steal your trips. You live in a crashpad over here in PHL with tons of people and only be back in PIT 9 days a month. No ETB trips for you, because me being in PIT, I took them off of you. See my point??

I completely see your point, I am sorry you got displaced. However, when PIT is assigning 50+ trips a month to reserves to go to PHL to cover their left over junk, that at my seniority I would NEVER fly, but have no choice. I feel as though if we could pick up ETB out of base time on our days off, trips would be covered. As far as stealing trips in PIT honey there are NO trips in PIT. When they go into the reserve book with only OPR 5 days a week, run out of trips long before finishing the bidsheet. You cant buy a trip in PIT these days. I am certainly not trying to start a war with you over this subject. What is the difference between me picking up an ETB PHL trip or me being assigned a PHL trip? Am I stealing it when scheduling quick calls me to go over there for a 4 day, which becomes a 5 day for me because I have to go the night before, an it only pays 20 hrs? I am not trying to start a war with you over this subject. I respect your point, all I ask is that you respect mine, you dont have to agree with it nor like it.

 

[USstew23]

I read it and I still don't think you should be able to pick up a trip off the ETB (especailly the INT) when they belong to another base. Those of us that are in PHL like those trips. Okay, let me make this deal with you...let me go back to PIT and let me steal your trips. You live in a crashpad over here in PHL with tons of people and only be back in PIT 9 days a month. No ETB trips for you, because me being in PIT, I took them off of you. See my point??

Hey Baked, I can see both sides of this, I'm sure they could put stipulations on this to make it work, my old airline (back when) used to let us do that, however if the open time was in IND (for example) then those f/a's from IND were allowed first crack based on seniority, then after the cutoff it was open to f/a's in all of the other bases, of course the basic rules of legality applied and you had to get yourself to whatever base the trip originated from. Actually it was ATA and that is when there were 13 bases. I also think it cut down on the need for so many reserves. I'm not sure if those exact rules would work here but this union and all of these employess are pretty crafty so I'm sure they could come up with something to crack our smile from coast to coast!! LOL