Aw Tables Resolution-agrees To Doh

[UWCactus]

i heard that at us/west the lead f/a cannot go past row 8. if they do they can get into trouble. i also heard that if you are on a four day trip and you call in sick it's considered 4 sick calls as each day on the trip is considered a 4 day . is this true? sounds weird to me.

i meant each day on the trip is considered one sick call day.

The row 8 thing is a TSA rule that applies to HP and it's not specifically row 8, its overwing on the 737, 320, 319 and row 8 on the 757 (row before door 2l/r). As for the sick, it's not the best thing, you call in the first day for a 4 day only, you go on guaranteed reserve (pay for that trips day), or you can call in sick for all 4 days at once, which counts as 4 sick occurrences. I don't call in sick very often, so maybe someone else could be more helpful on this. This would most likely go away with a merged contract, it needs to be overhauled.

From what I was told by a East US f/a supervisor, we are going with the old US work rules and service procedures. The row 8 thing is not in our work rules, so I would assume that that would be gone. I dunno???

When you say work rules are talking about inflight stuff or ground stuff? contract rules or policies and procedures? Don't get caught up on the row 8 thing. HP also has a policy that allows coach pax to use the first class lav, that most likely will not change.

 

[Twicebaked]

I completely see your point, I am sorry you got displaced. However, when PIT is assigning 50+ trips a month to reserves to go to PHL to cover their left over junk, that at my seniority I would NEVER fly, but have no choice. I feel as though if we could pick up ETB out of base time on our days off, trips would be covered. As far as stealing trips in PIT honey there are NO trips in PIT. When they go into the reserve book with only OPR 5 days a week, run out of trips long before finishing the bidsheet. You cant buy a trip in PIT these days. I am certainly not trying to start a war with you over this subject. What is the difference between me picking up an ETB PHL trip or me being assigned a PHL trip? Am I stealing it when scheduling quick calls me to go over there for a 4 day, which becomes a 5 day for me because I have to go the night before, an it only pays 20 hrs? I am not trying to start a war with you over this subject. I respect your point, all I ask is that you respect mine, you dont have to agree with it nor like it.

There is no war Proud, just differences of opions. I understand the open time issue that another poster stated. However, with an ETB trip, they pop up all during the month. There is really no way to allow PHL based f/a first crack at those trips. I understand the fact that you guys get sent here for shortages, but ETBs should be left to us. Maybe once a trip is posted for a week and it is not picked up in a base, it can be transfered to another bases board. I think that would be fair. I just don't think any PIT (or any bases) should potentailly get first crack at our trips. If someone wants to work the supposed "good" trips, transfer here and let us go home.

 

[DCAflyer]

DOH is a lot of things. Fair it ain't.

How is DOH not fair when both parties previously agreed to it? How is changing the rules after the game has finished fair?

 

[desertgal]

The ability to pick up trips from other bases would only enhance our flexibility. It would just be more options for us.
Why would any FA be against it? Incomprehensible to me, but we have seen these past couple months how some are resistant to change.
And, like atastew pointed out, it can be set up so the original base can get 'first crack'.

i heard that at us/west the lead f/a cannot go past row 8. if they do they can get into trouble. i also heard that if you are on a four day trip and you call in sick it's considered 4 sick calls as each day on the trip is considered a 4 day . is this true? sounds weird to me.

i meant each day on the trip is considered one sick call day.

The 1st (what you call lead) CAN go to the back, as long as there is another FA in the forward cabin.
Forward cabin ends at the overwing exit. We adhere to this rule pretty strictly since one of our FAs did get in trouble for going too far back.

If you call in sick for all 4 days of a 4day, it will count as 4 sick days.
You can get back on your original trip on day 2, 3, or 4 if it passes thru PHX.
If your trip never comes back thru PHX, you only need to call sick for the first day and you will have the remaining 3days off, of course w/no pay. If you want the pay, you elect to sit GR (guarunteed reserve) for the remaining 3days. You are guaranteed the original credit for the remaining 3days you missed, but they will assign you things like 'turns' that other FAs have AUTOed. They have to give you your assignment for the next day by 4pm, and they have to have you finished by the release time of your original trip.

 

[Twicebaked]

The ability to pick up trips from other bases would only enhance our flexibility. It would just be more options for us.
Why would any FA be against it? Incomprehensible to me, but we have seen these past couple months how some are resistant to change.
And, like atastew pointed out, it can be set up so the original base can get 'first crack'.

Nothing to do with change Desertgal. If they would allow me to sit reserve at home and pick up a trip, then so be it. When you are sitting in a base away from home, opinions are much different. Unless it is something that is effecting you, you can't understand it.

 

[USAguy97]

DOH is a lot of things. Fair it ain't.

Clue,

why do you think that DOH isn't fair?

 

[DCAflyer]

I personally don't agree with that. Why should a flight attendant the did not voluntarily transfer or get displaced to a base that they cleary don't want to be in (because they would already be here) be able to STEAL the trips off of those who got sent and/or transfered???? We are to big to allow something like that.

How about a happy medium? Trips are available to in-base F/A's until 24 hours before report. If the trip isn't taken by a base F/A, it opens system-wide.

From what I was told by a East US f/a supervisor, we are going with the old US work rules and service procedures. The row 8 thing is not in our work rules, so I would assume that that would be gone. I dunno???

What do they mean by "old US work rules and service procedures"?

WolfGang era... glassware, wine presentation, hot towels in F? Hot meals in transcon coach? Phuck this sell everything crap that's been going on. They can take their kit kat bars and shove em, IMHO. Why not just paint CVS on the side of the plane?

 

[proudf/a]

Nothing to do with change Desertgal. If they would allow me to sit reserve at home and pick up a trip, then so be it. When you are sitting in a base away from home, opinions are much different. Unless it is something that is effecting you, you can't understand it.

Can you hold a block in BOS or LGA? Why sit in PHL on reserve if you are unhappy. I realize it stinks that you have been displaced, I am sorry for that. There are other options.

 

[USstew23]

How about a happy medium? Trips are available to in-base F/A's until 24 hours before report. If the trip isn't taken by a base F/A, it opens system-wide.
What do they mean by "old US work rules and service procedures"?

WolfGang era... glassware, wine presentation, hot towels in F? Hot meals in transcon coach? Phuck this sell everything crap that's been going on. They can take their kit kat bars and shove em, IMHO. Why not just paint CVS on the side of the plane?

EXACTLY!! And those damn sandwiches.. Do you have Heinz 57? Well sure we do just let me run right over to the Kroger and pick some up for you.
That was so funny DCA I think I wet my pants. Does anyone remember that wine tasting crap we did when we got the airbuses--- swishing the glass around sniffing mmmm smells like tree bark and warm apples. Yeah right, but since we already had a buzz my class fired it right over accross the street from the Holiday Inn and had a tasting of our own!!! Sorry way off the subject but couldn't resist.

 

[cltflyguy]

The row 8 thing is a TSA rule that applies to HP and it's not specifically row 8, its overwing on the 737, 320, 319 and row 8 on the 757 (row before door 2l/r).

I kinda hope that rule doens't carry over. Lord knows you need a break from first class sometimes.
especially if you have about 3 or 4 assholes sitting up front! haha

 

[DCAflyer]

EXACTLY!! And those damn sandwiches.. Do you have Heinz 57? Well sure we do just let me run right over to the Kroger and pick some up for you.

I once had a F-PAX ask for a pre-departure drink... sky martini, three olives, shaken not stired. Yeah, just let me go grab my bartender shaker from my crew bag, LOL

I said "Honey, this ain't Cheers and you ain't Bebe Neuwirth!"

 

[Twicebaked]

Can you hold a block in BOS or LGA? Why sit in PHL on reserve if you are unhappy. I realize it stinks that you have been displaced, I am sorry for that. There are other options.

Yes, in LGA but the trips are not commutable and I don't want to go there. Yes, I know there are options. The only reason I am hanging in there is to see if it does get better which I believe it will....soon. I am not "unhappy" life is to short to be unhappy. I just don't like the situation. It will work out for all of us.

 

[PHX-F/A]

The row 8 thing is a TSA rule that applies to HP and it's not specifically row 8, its overwing on the 737, 320, 319 and row 8 on the 757 (row before door 2l/r). As for the sick, it's not the best thing, you call in the first day for a 4 day only, you go on guaranteed reserve (pay for that trips day), or you can call in sick for all 4 days at once, which counts as 4 sick occurrences. I don't call in sick very often, so maybe someone else could be more helpful on this. This would most likely go away with a merged contract, it needs to be overhauled.
When you say work rules are talking about inflight stuff or ground stuff? contract rules or policies and procedures? Don't get caught up on the row 8 thing. HP also has a policy that allows coach pax to use the first class lav, that most likely will not change.

It's not specifically the first. If someone replaces them, they can go to the back. You always must have someone in the front of the aircraft

 

[mdarules]

It's not specifically the first. If someone replaces them, they can go to the back. You always must have someone in the front of the aircraft

That is not the coolest rule in the book - hopefully it doesnt carry over since there is usuallysomeone up there anyway... Who wants to call to the back so someone can come to the front so someone can go to the back... uggghhhhh - kind of like the no bulkhead in first on the 737 on the west side - that sucks 100% !!! The customers want their provacy as well as we do. who wants to pay for a first class seat and sit so close to the flight attendant you practically knock knees!! METROJET through and through.... Hopefully they change the configuration but there are better things to worry about before that happens - like making the company profitable actually - so lets get to it!!!!

 

[multitasker]

It will be interesting to see how US/East FA's will adjust to US/West's door procedures. Since good old Sherri is the head of all inflight bet that policy will stay. I just want to see the senior FA's at US/East talk to themselves while they disarm the A/C door.

Also what about the FAA cabin safety inspector. Will we keep US/West's or US/East's? If we keep US/West's won't the FA's at US/East be in for a big surprise...

Let the fun begin..