Any Exit By Us Airways Troubles Suburbs

[delldude]

Who cares? PIT is nothing more than a blue collar working town with old ideas and bad attitudes. The majority of people in PIT are rude, disgruntled and have a give me attitude. They shouild just shut down PIT, move it to a more progressive area, Charlotte, and build from there.

WOW! We're rude in Pittsburgh. Well let me be the first Pittsburgher to say it. We are sorry. We didn't mean it. Please forgive us. We won't do it again. If you must go though we understand, we have offended you. I am sure you will not meet any rude people in Charlotte. Have a great day and take care of yourself. We'll miss you.

yes but when we take over CLT..it'll just be "little pittsburgh".
where will you move to then?

 

[wnbubbleboy]

Who cares? PIT is nothing more than a blue collar working town with old ideas and bad attitudes. The majority of people in PIT are rude, disgruntled and have a give me attitude. They shouild just shut down PIT, move it to a more progressive area, Charlotte, and build from there.

WOW! We're rude in Pittsburgh. Well let me be the first Pittsburgher to say it. We are sorry. We didn't mean it. Please forgive us. We won't do it again. If you must go though we understand, we have offended you. I am sure you will not meet any rude people in Charlotte. Have a great day and take care of yourself. We'll miss you.

yes but when we take over CLT..it'll just be "little pittsburgh".
where will you move to then?

When the first EAT N PARK opens up in Charlotte the battle is over. People from the Queen City just remember if you go there you can't just order tea; you have to order iced tea or else you just get hot tea. 🙂

 

[burghlaw1]

3. US has no major LCC presence at PIT. At IND, you get ATA as the incumbent #1 carrier, and LUV, to boot.

I agree. The question is not where can U go; it's where can U retreat. It's not likely going to be IND or any other LCC city.
🙄

 

[Light Years]

Well, we dont even serve Oklahoma City...? Are you talking about moving mx or something there or significant operations? The O&D must be dreadful, as far as I know its all Express ops from the other legacy carriers and maybe WN.

 

[firstamendment]

Just so that we are clear:

U actually had the cajones to suggest to the county and state that they levy a higher hotel tax or impose a rental car tax to pay for bailing U out. While U tried to keep it quiet, that was their suggest for debt relief.

Fortunately, Rendell, Roddey, and likely Onorato will tell U to stick it where the sun don't shine. Since U is not getting anything at ORD, I'm still waiting to hear where they are going to exit the hub to with higher O&D and a limited LCC presence.

ACAA has offered $25 million/year debt relief for 5 years. Sound pretty generous, but my ego fits inside a small head, unlike Little Dave.

Well Clue,
I'll tell you what I think U should do with the extra airplanes should they pull out of PIT. We claim to be the northeast carrier, yet the largest northeast cities have limited service on U. Sure, if you want to go to GSO, RDU, ROC, or GSP, great. But we need to hit some of these big business markets. I know, how can we do that when we would go up against the other majors and lcc's? I say do what America West has done. AWA reduced the business fares. They took a chance on less revenue but it has been popular with the business travelers, increasing ridership, hence increasing revenue anyway. As long as the fares aren't too low, you could lure the biz traveler over and maybe even offer a book of tickets for your regulars that would allow rebooking without penalty. We should aggressively become the business traveler's airline by taking away those silly restrictions and offering a few goodies. i.e. Both BOS and LGA have beautiful terminal areas now dedicated to the Shuttle flights. Not all gates are used for the Shuttle. Why not add flights to business destinations, using those business oriented terminals that offer mags, newspapers, complimentary coffee and juice and work space? Now mainline passngers enjoy these benefits. We should go to those markest 3-4 times a day, hitting the business day at it's most convienant. Those cities should be Chicago, Atlanta, Cincinatti, Cleveland, St. Louis, Detroit, LA, SFO, SAN, SEA ( all fron either JFK or EWR), MCI...or where ever there is huge business market. It's time to go back into Florida and beef even more carribean flying out of BOS and if possible, one of the New York airports. What happened to "exploiting the network"?

We have so shrank the airline that nobody wants to fly us because they have to constantly connect. How can we call ourselves the northeast airline when your competitors offer more service? Why not take a chance and go after the hearts of the business traveler? It just might work. Nobody is asking for 10 flights a day to each destination and everyone in the industry, short of AWA, are still sticking it to the business traveler.

Well, I'm no business expert, but I just don't think we can shrink ourselves into a profit...but all this is just my opinion. I would love to hear what everyone else thinks.

BTW, I would prefer to leave the PIT hub open and bring a/c out of the desert to grow the airline.


As far as bailing U out from the ACAA and state of PA, didn't AWA get help from Arizona and NWA get help from one of their supporting states at one time?

 

[AOG-N-IT]

Just some historical reference...An LCC sorta speak called "Air South" gotta big financial shot in the arm from the state of South Carolina....and still ended up liquidating and owing money to every city they flew into for landing fees and the alike.

Air South also liquidated with a number of spare B737-200 parts from U attached to their Acft. as well.

Just because a state or a DIP financer steps up with funding and assistance , does not mean a ill-concieved business plan is going to fly....it means the tax payers are going to take a haircut...and little more.

Allegheny County is in a Catch-22 situation...they really can't afford to play along with U whims....and they really can't afford any further loss to the tax base that will come from the possible reduction in U employee's contributing to that tax base.

This is as they say ..... A Damned if you do...Damned if you don't situation.

 

[AKA_trvlr64]

I nominate "firstamendment" to the position of CEO. He is another person not in the CCY offices that understands what should be done.

Too bad all those fancy degrees that US management has can't figure out what to do!!

 

[ClueByFour]

Allegheny County is in a Catch-22 situation...they really can't afford to play along with U whims....and they really can't afford any further loss to the tax base that will come from the possible reduction in U employee's contributing to that tax base.

I would not be suprised if Beaver county got hit worse by the loss of the tax base. For that matter, when I lived in PIT full time, I shared a community (Cranberry) with seemingly half of ALPA Council 94 (although I suspect, like myself, they have switched proverbial bases--but at least the pilots can commute--I actually miss the cruise down 79).

That said, giving $500 million in relief to a company that is fresh out of Chapter 11 and still losing money hand over fist is insane, especially without any substantial job numbers. You can generate $12/hour jobs by opening retail joints. MDA does not qualify.