Any Exit By Us Airways Troubles Suburbs

[700UW]

Rumor Control:

PIT is closing, CLT is Closing IND here we come.

 

[delldude]

Rumor Control:

PIT is closing, CLT is Closing IND here we come.

5 years free room and board.....all maintenence under one roof......no more trucking parts,engines and the like.
great deals on corn and sausage....

 

[repeet]

Ok, let's control that rumor.

I emailed The Indianapolis Star reporter Chris O'Malley to verify this rumor and recieved this reply:

From: [email protected]
To: repeet

That rumor has been floating around for months. City and US Airways have
denied it. That's not to say it won't happen, of course, but nobody's
talking.

So, once agian we spend a holliday on the edge. I don't think that even the Daves know the answer to this one. If ACAA blinks we all stay. If they don't, who knows?

And just in case management thinks they can look to the employees to make up the difference, let me remind them one more time:

 

[cavalier]

Chip: I was here when the steel industry collapsed leaving this entire area decimated with ghost towns. Too many other airlines large and small today making another steel town collapse scenario unlikely. It will never be that bad just because one airline leaves. I don’t care what they say, others will pick up the slack in short order.

AKA tralr64: Well put


Rudy: Thanks for the reality check


Marco90821: From a home grown true blue pixbugh boy for over half a century I think you need a big hug and a good dose of that southern hospitality the great south is famous for, which you apparently have never learned from your pappy or mommy.

 

[ClueByFour]

Allegheny County built an airport based on old economic forecasts that did not pan out. The world has changed and so far the ACAA has not been willing to change -- to address the primary airport problem that the bond debt makes it impossible for Pittsburgh to be profitable hub for US Airways.

[snip]

The company has a good opportunity to move its assets to new areas, which have higher O&D traffic that may become available in the not-so-distant future. In fact, I understand a move could become public reality fairly soon, without a deal to keep the Pittsburgh hub reached in the near-term.

The spin is so heavy that I'm getting dizzy.

ACAA built the airport that US Airways wanted. In fact, the threat to build us this airport or we are out of here from the late 80s seems kind of ironic now, doesn't it?

To address your second question, since UA is clearly set to emerge from Chapter 11, and U will not be getting it's hands on gates at ORD, exactly where is little Dave going to run to with better O&D?

Stop the FUD.

 

[PITbull]

AOG-N-IT:

Allegheny County built an airport based on old economic forecasts that did not pan out. The world has changed and so far the ACAA has not been willing to change -- to address the primary airport problem that the bond debt makes it impossible for Pittsburgh to be profitable hub for US Airways.

However, just like at US Airways, everybody wants the other guy to take a haircut, but not me...let it be somebody else and the ACAA needs to change its tune now.

I live in Pittsburgh and from a personal perspective I want the hub to survive, so I can eventually return to the Western Pennsylvania airport for work versus commute.

US Airways must address its cost problem because domestic revenues will continue to fall. There needs to be a comprehensive solution that encompasses all areas of the company or this airline, just like every other network carrier, could fail. Simply put, US Airways' CASM must be below RASM and the ACAA has the opportunity to help US Airways balance that equation, to create a win-win for Western Pennsylvania, the airline, and Pittsburgh-based employees.

But as each day goes by and other industry airline events unfold, there is a higher probability that US Airways will leave Pittsburgh. The company has a good opportunity to move its assets to new areas, which have higher O&D traffic that may become available in the not-so-distant future. In fact, I understand a move could become public reality fairly soon, without a deal to keep the Pittsburgh hub reached in the near-term.

AOG-N-IT, industry consolidation is coming and one of the questions are: Will Pittsburgh be a part of it with the airport and its surrounding facilities a vibrant operation...or will the airport become a white (empty) elephant?

Regards,

Chip

Chip,

If you live in Pittsburgh, then you should well know that the County airport was built for USAir, and they demanded it. The County wanted to improve the old airport, but U insisted on a new one and gave $500M for the majority of the gates. They threatened to leave way back then unless it was built. Get your facts straight when you are talking about my home-town. Nothing to do with "old economic forcast mumbo jumbo double talk, and Siegel's rethorhic coming from YOUR mouth "the- world -has -changed" garbage.



ACAA is looking out for Pittsburgh, tax payers, U employees. In that order. Just becasue U spouts Cost Cuts, the changing world is NOT jumping.

You say domestic revenue will continue to fall...I ASK YOU WHY?????

USAirways has to create THE demand for folks to FLY U. How come they haven't yet? Folks are flying other airlines because those airlines have created a DEMAND for their product. Its NOT about cutting more heads or getting more concessions, my friend. Take a step back for a minute and look at the "true" picture; NOT MANAGMENT'S PICTURE.

If U has an opportunity to move its assets elsewhere; then they have already made up there mind, and the exercise is for none. This airline has TWO huge bases in PA and U has the audacity to maintain their arrogance and cockiness with the PA Delegation. Fine......so far, we are still losing money with this newly created restructuring business plan. What I think happened with PHL is someone invited SW to come in to PHL. Can't prove it, but why does SW come now? If PHL has one of the highest O&D traffic, why whould SW wait to come now???? Someone is working behind the scenes to bring SW into PA.

There is something going on behind the scenes, and maybe your "Corporate transaction" is in the making. But YOU, I or any employee on this property has NO control of what deals are being made at the Board level.

We have fierce comptetiton coming into PHL, and we have a CEO that is saying "charge" and no employees are following him. Managers are spending all their focus on disciplining employees out the door. If you notice PA Delegation is not jumping up and down to talk to U. They have just figured out they don't need USAirways. They are looking at other carriers. Soon, I believe SW will be coming in to PIT just like PHL. So, U better gets its ducks in order, stop focusing on employees, and focus on the "business model" and creat a DEMAND for customers to fly us!!!!!

Unfortunately, we have a management team that cannot see this because there IS NO LEADERSHIP AND NO ONE KNOWS WHAT TO DO. So we are going to go down, unless they leave OUR company.

PS: Check out next Sunday's post gazette when it come out.... many of our employees are not having much of a xmas. They are broke, credited out, can't cover their bills and are losing their homes. Think I'm joking??? We have serious problems here folks, besides the Big picture of a new and improved business plan, internally, our employees are dieing and our careers are being murdered.

 

[planejane]

Glad to see Marco9... really tell it like it is. There is more of that attitude around then most on this board think! Dave needs to take a poll and see how many of us really want to be stranded here in Pit, paying all these taxes. It wouldn't be so sorry if we got something for our money but the future here looks dismale. City is bankrupt, looking to the suburbs and the suburbs are looking to us for more money. We are tired of carrying water to a DEAD HORSE. Let's move on......

 

[PITbull]

Chip,

Who cares? PIT is nothing more than a blue collar working town with old ideas and bad attitudes. The majority of people in PIT are rude, disgruntled and have a give me attitude. They shouild just shut down PIT, move it to a more progressive area, Charlotte, and build from there.

Another "irrational", self righteous poster. Those who don't want to stay in PIT...transfer the hell out. There others that want to take your place, fast.

 

[AKA_trvlr64]

Chip,

Who cares? PIT is nothing more than a blue collar working town with old ideas and bad attitudes. The majority of people in PIT are rude, disgruntled and have a give me attitude. They shouild just shut down PIT, move it to a more progressive area, Charlotte, and build from there.

PAMPARIN for 1, PAMPARIN for 1 !!

As someone that has lived all over this country, I can atest to the attitude of the PGH area. It's no better or worse than anywhere else. It's what you make of it during your time there.

I've lived in North Carolina (INT) and can say I ran into rude people there. Same thing happened in San Diego and Manhattan and New Jersey when I lived in those areas.

Obviously you're just bitter. Take a pill. Get over it.


<_<

ps.........I don't work for US, I just live on them and I'll take a US employee from any northern city (PIT, LGA and even BOS) over any US employee from CLT. Sorry but that's my opinion.

 

[planejane]

Why do you attack people who only post their opinions? You people seem to have this forum cornered, that only your opinions should be represented. I would transfer in a heartbeat, given the opportunity if my department existed in another city. I did not say I dislike my job, I dislike the area due to the economics involved. I'm raising children here, what job opportunities exist for them? One already has left due to slim job opportunities. Have you looked at the Post Gazette lately? I love my life, I would just prefer to live it somewhere else!!!!!

 

[AKA_trvlr64]

Why do you attack people who only post their opinions? You people seem to have this forum cornered, that only your opinions should be represented. I would transfer in a heartbeat, given the opportunity if my department existed in another city. I did not say I dislike my job, I dislike the area due to the economics involved. I'm raising children here, what job opportunities exist for them? One already has left due to slim job opportunities. Have you looked at the Post Gazette lately? I love my life, I would just prefer to live it somewhere else!!!!!

Planejane


You hit the nail on the head. This area is suffering because this area's residents don't do something to improve it. Instead you are complacient. Let's face facts too. PGH is the 2nd oldest population in the country next to Miami-Dade county. With that fact, then you can see why change doesn't happen fast here. I travel the country/globe for work. I have met people who use to live in PGH and now reside elsewhere. Each one has said the same thing to me..........I wish I could move home but I can't because the salaries are too low. Or the cost of living where I'm at now is even lower than PGH and it's better for me here.

Planejane your children should move away to find better jobs. But until the residents start making our local politians do something to improve this area again, we are all sorta stuck. PGH is a nice place to grow up and live in, but it's also a nice place to get away from. I know I've done it 3 times. I returned to this area because from here I can get anywhere in the country for work and do it rather easily. But if I ever leave my job I have to move. I know this and it's not a bad realization either.

 

[delldude]

Why do you attack people who only post their opinions? You people seem to have this forum cornered, that only your opinions should be represented. I would transfer in a heartbeat, given the opportunity if my department existed in another city. I did not say I dislike my job, I dislike the area due to the economics involved. I'm raising children here, what job opportunities exist for them? One already has left due to slim job opportunities. Have you looked at the Post Gazette lately? I love my life, I would just prefer to live it somewhere else!!!!!

if they didn't post their opinions,we'd have nothing to attack.

 

[planejane]

Dell Dude:

I'm puzzled as to why you think you must attack posters on this board?

 

[delldude]

Why do you attack people who only post their opinions? You people seem to have this forum cornered, that only your opinions should be represented. I would transfer in a heartbeat, given the opportunity if my department existed in another city. I did not say I dislike my job, I dislike the area due to the economics involved. I'm raising children here, what job opportunities exist for them? One already has left due to slim job opportunities. Have you looked at the Post Gazette lately? I love my life, I would just prefer to live it somewhere else!!!!!

have you looked into who has been the controlling political party in the area for over 30 years?
nothing seems to change in the area,yet time and again the same party keeps getting re-elected.
why do people attack...why watching congress and the network news is where it is learned...its the american way i thought.

 

[repeet]

People and Government in PIT are worried. Check out this Sundays Pittsburgh Gazette article:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/03348/251115.stm