My spouse will be on reserve at LGA. We are close by, 40 minutes. I can't imagine she will get herself involved in union or company activities other than coming to work and doing a first class job. The union/AA conflicts and BS she can let go of. She will be with many TWA friends at LGA. As the commercial said, "she loves to fly and it shows." A good portion of these returnees have a great work ethic, I flew with many for 30 years myself. AA will be fortunate to have them.
Another Slap in the Face from APFA
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I agree, we are fortunate, and make no mistake, I enjoy the job itself. It is Americans' style of management that irks me. The shortages, having to apologize to passengers, being treated with no respect by AA, those are my beefs.
I don't understand one thing from up above, the one year of credited service. Do you have to work another 4 years to be able to get a pension?
I very much understand the insurance part, and I also understand that flying gets in your blood.
TWA folks, like the Reno and AirCal folks were able to use their years at their prior airlines for their five year vesting requirement. Their years of service at the prior airlines do not however count in the YCS (Years of Credited Service) formula of the pension. There is a link the online Employee Handbook in JetNet, but since it requires a login, posting the link is pointless since anyone without a jetnet sign in will be unable to see it.
jimntx
Veteran
You didn't like the Cha-Cha Chili?
It redefined the word, nasty, for our generation as far as I am concerned.
I live in Texas. We take our chili very seriously here.I find myself constantly defending the TWA gals (and guys) to our uninformed FAs on the line. You would be shocked to hear how many people are saying these girls are coming back to fly one trip and retire with a full pension. I even had a former TWA captain tell me that (you would think he of all people would know the facts). When it comes to the pension, TWA got exactly what Reno and Air Cal got, which was auto vesting if they had more than five years at the former airline, but as far as YCS, they are starting from scratch.
Yes, I do too. I think the majority of the F/A's believe this. It is scary how ignorance runs rampant.
So I am correct in assuming that in order to collect any kind of decent pension, most will have to work about 3-4 years? And it would be good to fly as much as possible?
Did I mention I am based at LGA? And I drop?
I do not know any who are thinking one trip and retire. Maybe a couple will not like it and retire. They are older and will leave probably at rates AA F/As leave. What do they care, they are not paying them! Its always like something comes in from outside takes away from me! Like the two year old who resents his baby sister.
Yes, I do too. I think the majority of the F/A's believe this. It is scary how ignorance runs rampant.
So I am correct in assuming that in order to collect any kind of decent pension, most will have to work about 3-4 years? And it would be good to fly as much as possible?
Did I mention I am based at LGA? And I drop?
The maximum hours one can apply to the pension formula for each month is 85 hours. Anything extra will not result in more money in terms of pension payouts.
jimntx
Veteran
You would be surprised how many of the f/as think they can build up their pensions by flying high time the last 4 years. They tend to be outraged when they find out that only the first 85 hours count. Of course, these are the same ones that haven't flown a trip in years or fly only the minimum 35 hours. A number of them have been bidding the best lines and selling their trips to a trip trade service. Then somehow it becomes "unfair" that they have no pension service built up.
You can sell trips to a trade source? Help me understand how that works?
jersey777
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- May 24, 2006
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Basically it is supply and demand. At LGA more people drop then pick up. So it usually costs $25 to drop a trip and it is free to pick up if you use a trip trade service. At JFK you pay to drop and to pick up. Of course you can always use the company trip trade board and everything is free.
Jim, no one "sells" their trips to a service. You pay for them to be dropped if possible. Most f/a's I know that drop couldn't care less about building up their pension at the moment, as they are busy raising families. They have earned the seniority right to be able to drop trips. Life happens in cycles you know. And yes I am one who chooses to fly only 35 hours or even less 
per month. I have teenage children at home who need guidance, supervision and a strong bat! THEY are far more important than any job or income.
The senior f/a's (or those close to retirement) usually fly their schedules. As for my comment that the returning f/a's would want to fly higher time, that is exactly what I meant, building up your schedule to 85 hours or an average of 85 per month, so that their pension formula builds up. Lines at LGA average about 75 hours per month.
per month. I have teenage children at home who need guidance, supervision and a strong bat! THEY are far more important than any job or income.The senior f/a's (or those close to retirement) usually fly their schedules. As for my comment that the returning f/a's would want to fly higher time, that is exactly what I meant, building up your schedule to 85 hours or an average of 85 per month, so that their pension formula builds up. Lines at LGA average about 75 hours per month.
Jim, no one "sells" their trips to a service. You pay for them to be dropped if possible. Most f/a's I know that drop couldn't care less about building up their pension at the moment, as they are busy raising families. They have earned the seniority right to be able to drop trips. Life happens in cycles you know. And yes I am one who chooses to fly only 35 hours or even less
The senior f/a's (or those close to retirement) usually fly their schedules. As for my comment that the returning f/a's would want to fly higher time, that is exactly what I meant, building up your schedule to 85 hours or an average of 85 per month, so that their pension formula builds up. Lines at LGA average about 75 hours per month.
It certainly is a trade off. I have a friend of mine who flew part time or took the year long bid leaves for years and years. Her years of credited service is only something like 16 years total because she accrued hardly any time the years she was part time.
She and her husband knew this and have planned accordinly for retirement. Unfortunately, many were not aware and now are struggling to catch up.
Jim, no one "sells" their trips to a service. You pay for them to be dropped if possible. Most f/a's I know that drop couldn't care less about building up their pension at the moment, as they are busy raising families. They have earned the seniority right to be able to drop trips. Life happens in cycles you know. And yes I am one who chooses to fly only 35 hours or even less
The senior f/a's (or those close to retirement) usually fly their schedules. As for my comment that the returning f/a's would want to fly higher time, that is exactly what I meant, building up your schedule to 85 hours or an average of 85 per month, so that their pension formula builds up. Lines at LGA average about 75 hours per month.
Good for you! It is good to see that there are people out there that do not let their job rule their life. I remember guys at NWA that were working 16 hours a day, 7 days a week, for entire years! All the while they were wondering why their kids were screwed up and they were getting divorces. :unsure:
