Another Slap in the Face from APFA

[Skymess]

We certainly meet the requirement that we be employed from the Date of Acquisition until the Single Transportation System was established. As far as "continuous employement" after that, we remained union members in good standing as long as we were dues current at the time of furlough, and were considered part of the STL base and allowed to vote on all union issues and for the STL chair just weeks ago.

While I am sure a lawyer could argue any point, I disagree that being a union member in good standing has anything to do with actually being employed.

If any of you were paid unemployment checks at the time of furlough than that would be a good argument that you were definitely NOT "continuously employed". But good luck, nevertheless if someone decides to sue.

 

[MiAAmi]

While I am sure a lawyer could argue any point, I disagree that being a union member in good standing has anything to do with actually being employed.

If any of you were paid unemployment checks at the time of furlough than that would be a good argument that you were definitely NOT "continuously employed". But good luck, nevertheless if someone decides to sue.

I agree. Also curious are the TWA'ers coming back at the top of the pay scale?

 

[Skymess]

I agree. Also curious are the TWA'ers coming back at the top of the pay scale?

Yes, if they were employed for 15 years at TWA at the time of the acquisition.

 

[L1011Ret]

Because AA wanted to recognize their pay and seniorities other than bid seniorities at the time of the acquisition. That was the agreement. Other work groups were treated similasrly. AA wanted to have bid seniority worked out between unions but APFA refused to discuss.

 

[jersey777]

Because AA wanted to recognize their pay and seniorities other than bid seniorities at the time of the acquisition. That was the agreement. Other work groups were treated similasrly. AA wanted to have bid seniority worked out between unions but APFA refused to discuss.
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The APFA did what your union was not capable of doing..they protected the seniority of their own members. I am glad because I would be damned if someone who worked for another failed company came and took over my trips. If we were bought I'm sure the same would happen to us.

 

[L1011Ret]

Because AA wanted to recognize their pay and seniorities other than bid seniorities at the time of the acquisition. That was the agreement. Other work groups were treated similasrly. AA wanted to have bid seniority worked out between unions but APFA refused to discuss.

I stick by my forecast APFA is in serious legal trouble pertaining to the RPA!!!

 

[Skymess]

I stick by my forecast APFA is in serious legal trouble pertaining to the RPA!!!

RPA yes, seniority is done.

The APFA info rep hotline was pretty interesting a week and a half ago regarding the progress of the lawsuits.

I just want to know who will have to make reparations if the judge deems the RPA invalid/illegal?

 

[L1011Ret]

RPA yes, seniority is done.

The APFA info rep hotline was pretty interesting a week and a half ago regarding the progress of the lawsuits.

I just want to know who will have to make reparations if the judge deems the RPA invalid/illegal?

The motion filed by Emily Bass who represents Marcoux, et al, (AA F/As), indicates AA and APFA are both responsible for damages.

 

[AAStew]

The motion filed by Emily Bass who represents Marcoux, et al, (AA F/As), indicates AA and APFA are both responsible for damages.

I would not hold my breath, if Marcoux wins, for any of the damages requested to be paid. As with every other class action lawsuit that has been filed in the past 20 years, AA will probably not make any monetary reparations. Personally, I hope I am wrong, but history tends to repeat itself.

 

[L1011Ret]

In the Bass brief AA and APFA come out as co-conspiritors attempting to illegally deprive the membership of their rights and to deliberately ignore the APFA constitution in a process designed to totally ignore the wishes of the membership. When you look at it, you wonder why criminal charges were not filed.

As to damages, who knows but the membership will suffer from paying off debt.

 

[jimntx]

I would not hold my breath, if Marcoux wins, for any of the damages requested to be paid. As with every other class action lawsuit that has been filed in the past 20 years, AA will probably not make any monetary reparations. Personally, I hope I am wrong, but history tends to repeat itself.

Oh, maybe we can get back the f/a happy "meals!"

Remember those nasty packages of instant mashed potatos that were supposed to sustain us for a 12-hour day?

 

[AAStew]

Oh, maybe we can get back the f/a happy "meals!"

Remember those nasty packages of instant mashed potatos that were supposed to sustain us for a 12-hour day?

Nothing changes....They have treated us like nasty little children since I have been there, and in response, now more than ever, morale is at an all time low.
I have a question for the returning TWA FA's on here, WHY do you want to come back to this? I am counting the days until I am eligible for the earliest retirement package they have, (about 2-3 years), and then I am out of here! (Unless some miracle happens and things improve, yeah right!)

 

[nbmcg01]

Nothing changes....They have treated us like nasty little children since I have been there, and in response, now more than ever, morale is at an all time low.
I have a question for the returning TWA FA's on here, WHY do you want to come back to this? I am counting the days until I am eligible for the earliest retirement package they have, (about 2-3 years), and then I am out of here! (Unless some miracle happens and things improve, yeah right!)

Although I'm already retired, I believe I can fairly answer your question. 1, Many would like the opportunity to close their career when THEY choose. 2. We only have one year of "service" towards retirement, many would like to gain a little more credit. 3. Some actually enjoy the lifestyle and would like the opportunity to return to flying. 4. Some are "nuts" or gluttons for punishment..lol 5. Even though being at the bottom of the seniority list poses some interesting "challenges", at least they will be receiving "top dollar" for their years of experience. Too bad you all don't have better reserve spread options, because reserve could be "ok". 6. Insurance 7. When you've been off a long time and first return, you realize that flying really isn't that bad (even under the worst of circumstances). 6. Many do not have the "young" family obligations that would have made this more difficult. And finally, because everyone said they would never be back.

 

[kirkpatrick]

I have a question for the returning TWA FA's on here, WHY do you want to come back to this?

Because "this" isn't so bad when you've tried "that."

MK

 

[s80dude]

Oh, maybe we can get back the f/a happy "meals!"

Remember those nasty packages of instant mashed potatos that were supposed to sustain us for a 12-hour day?

You didn't like the Cha-Cha Chili?