Another Slap in the Face from APFA

[L1011Ret]

Your mind is so repeatedly filled with hostility and hate...and you just love to negatively judge others. Attacking others is your game because you have no love for yourself. You are on a par with JN. Get some help, you need it.

 

[galleyguy4u2]

Of all lawsuits filed against AA and APFA how many outcomes have you correctly predicted? Zero????

You call APFA a UNION? Your Union is a country club. and the LAST of the independent Unions. THB sleeps with the company.

 

[MiAAmi]

You call APFA a UNION? Your Union is a country club. and the LAST of the independent Unions. THB sleeps with the company.

I don't agree with everything APFA does but so far all the lawsuits have been decided in favor of either AA or APFA. Thats just fact. Like it or not it is our union, step up and do union work if you don't like things.

 

[nbmcg01]

I don't agree with everything APFA does but so far all the lawsuits have been decided in favor of either AA or APFA. Thats just fact. Like it or not it is our union, step up and do union work if you don't like things.

He does at the local level. The APFA has not been very inclusive to the furloughed population. Only one national officer visit in the six years since acquisition and that was after the RPA and there was no way to get out of that trip. Police were on stand by for that visit...lol How strange that no one has felt the need to meet with the 6000 furloughed at any time since 9-11. Any visits to base (and I believe there has only been one) have been conducted where those furloughed could not attend. STL has new base leadership and I think both the active and furloughed will find it a refreshing change. Because of the unique make up of the STL membership, efforts have been made to be inclusive to the active f/as which has been a major change from previous leadership. I hope those at the base will also make an effort to meet Dixie and Tim and as an example of the difference in representation philosophy, the OCR's (and there are a lot of them) will be used for various tasks.

 

[galleyguy4u2]

MiAAmi, I have stepped up to the plate fyi. I am an OCR-STL. So do tell us what you have done within the APFA structure.

 

[MiAAmi]

MiAAmi, I have stepped up to the plate fyi. I am an OCR-STL. So do tell us what you have done within the APFA structure.

I'm not the one complaining. Besides I don't want to do union work. I am content with paying dues and voting when necessary and protesting when asked.

 

[Bear96]

Wrong, our employer is American Airlines and they are doing just fine. All of the furloughed in question are American Airlines flight attendants and have been for over 6 years.

OK, if you want to go down that road . . .

And you are getting 100% of your seniority for the six years that your employer has been AA, right? So what's the problem?

(I'm being a bit sarcastic. For the record, I think the TW folks got screwed in some ways. But honestly, it is ancient history by now (six years is a long time in airline industry terms). Time to get over it. Do the state of your emotional and mental health a favor and accept it, or if you just can't accept it, maybe it's time to find another employer and get on with your life.)

 

[nbmcg01]

OK, if you want to go down that road . . .

And you are getting 100% of your seniority for the six years that your employer has been AA, right? So what's the problem?

(I'm being a bit sarcastic. For the record, I think the TW folks got screwed in some ways. But honestly, it is ancient history by now (six years is a long time in airline industry terms). Time to get over it. Do the state of your emotional and mental health a favor and accept it, or if you just can't accept it, maybe it's time to find another employer and get on with your life.)

Bear96, my mental health is just fine and I'm happily retired. The point I was making is the furloughed f/as are all AA f/as...period. After 6 years, they are AA f/as, not former anyone. The furlough and how those furloughed are being treated is all AA and APFA. TWA has nothing to do with it... i was responding to your beely up comment. The employer is AA and yes the furloughed f/as want their jobs back.

 

[Nor'Easta]

you sure do know how to sound like a management tool.

Not on your life!

I don't like the APFA either. What have they done for us lately? NOTHING! Just tired of hearing the same complaints over and over again.

How about them Spurs?

 

[eolesen]

Here is the operative language:

A flight attendant who was employed by TWA as a flight attendant as of April 9, 2001, and who was continuously employed by or conducting flights for TWA-LLC and based at a TWA-LLC base from April 10, 2001 until the Single Transportation System Declaration, and who thereafter remains continuously based at a St. Louis base will be permitted to use her/his TWA-LLC occupational seniority date at a St. Louis base for bidding purposes determined by occupational seniority.

Well, I'm not a labor lawyer, but the key words seem to be "and who thereafter remains continuously based at a St. Louis Base", and it would be a little difficult to argue that being on furlough constituted being based at STL. That's further cemented when your recall winds up being to any base other than STL.

Whose language is that? Is it the result of arbitration? If so, I think you're pretty much screwed as far as pursuing a lawsuit against APFA or AA.

 

[TWAnr]

Whose language is that?

John Ward signed it for the APFA. I am having trouble reading the signature of the American Airlines' executive who signed it on behalf of the company, it looks like M. Heber or R. M. Heber. No one representing the former TWA flight attendants was even tangentially involved in the negotiations leading to this agreement.

 

[Nor'Easta]

John Ward signed it for the APFA.

You spelled John Ward wrong. The correct spelling is John WAArd!

 

[Bear96]

John Ward signed it for the APFA. I am having trouble reading the signature of the American Airlines' executive who signed it on behalf of the company, it looks like M. Heber or R. M. Heber. No one representing the former TWA flight attendants was even tangentially involved in the negotiations leading to this agreement.

Wait. I was just "corrected" that your employer didn't go belly up because your employer isn't TW, but AA, so you should be treated just like AA F/As. Now you want to be treated differently than AA F/As and want separate representation for former TW F/As. You and ncbmg should get your stories straight.

 

[kirkpatrick]

Now you want to be treated differently than AA F/As and want separate representation for former TW F/As.

I've long since accepted my fate, which was being stapled and then furloughed because of events mainly attributable to 9/11. All anyone wants is what was promised six years ago: TWA seniority in St. Louis, AA seniority elsewhere. This isn't rehashing an old subject, it's a brand new development which has come out now that the first ex-TWA FA's will be coming back.

 

[TWAnr]

Wait. I was just "corrected" that your employer didn't go belly up because your employer isn't TW, but AA, so you should be treated just like AA F/As. Now you want to be treated differently than AA F/As and want separate representation for former TW F/As. You and ncbmg should get your stories straight.

This seems to be a bit complicated for you to grasp, so I will try to make it very simple.

The agreement concerning seniority integration was signed by the APFA and American Airlines in December 2001. At that time, the former TWA flight attendants were still being represented by the IAM. It happened BEFORE the single carrier ruling that transferred their representation to the APFA around April of 2002. Thus, no one represented the interests of the former TWA flight attendants when this agreement was negotiated because the IAM was not asked to participate in those discussions. By the time of the majority of the furloughs of the former TWA flight attendants took place, they were represented members of the APFA.

I hope that is sufficiently simple for you to comprehend.