Amfa Vs. Twu Debate

[Raptor]

Let me ask you this, if TWU is the bargaining union for the members on the property of American Airlines why shouldn't they pay UB? So what if they pay it? If they are getting UB, then they are not drawing off AA unless they take a PVD. Why should the members have to take a PVD? It is your association that has caused this debate to be necessary

Wrong answer it is you that want this pointless debate not the AMFA supporters, and my point is TWU supporters only support the TWU if paid to do so whereas AMFA supporters are never paid to support AMFA it shows are dedication over the TWU supporters dedication, we don't mind spending our valueable time fighting for a worthy cause for Free, but who the hell wants to go to a pointless debate for Free, why would any AMFA supporters want to waste their time on such a debate, when our time can be better used elsewhere, mark my words we will get some mileage out of this UB pay thing as many members do not like this practice.

 

[TWU informer]

I hope they pay everyone that attends UB, and pay for hotel rooms, dinners, good ol'e boy bar drinks, for all from MCI/STL.

They need to spend the hell out of that money, else the TWU International is going to take it to New York later this year.

I never claimed you said anything. The thought Police TEAM TWU and TWU informer are guilty.

Funny thing, the TEAM TWU decided who should debate, but the overwhelming majority of TWU supporters I talk to want the International to debate AMFA and come to town to answer questions they have as members. Typical TWU, those down at the union hall decide what is best for the membership, without ever consulting the member, or taking a vote.

They did get one thing right on their most recent flyer. The Natioanal Mediation Board requires the members to decide via ballot. This is what scares the TWU to death!

 

[Buck]

So the TWU will pay up to 250 of it's membership per meeting to attend a debate amongst themselves?

Do they pay them to attend union meetings also?

Maybe that is why attendance is so low....at 514

 

[TWU informer]

So the TWU will pay up to 250 of it's membership per meeting to attend a debate amongst themselves?

Do they pay them to attend union meetings also?

Maybe that is why attendance is so low....at 514

Yes they do!

They have monthly raffle for those that attend.

 

[mojo13]

You say that AMFA is democratic because it can recall officers.
So can TWU

Can you recall Delle Femine? The McCormack Group?
Can the members take up a petition to remove them?

Can we remove Sonny Hall? Jim Little?
How about doing it at a constitutional convention?

What's the difference?
What can AMFA do that TWU can't.

AMFA can sit in on negotiations?
Has that really ever happened?

Why have a debate when we can settle it here?

 

[TWU informer]

Don't you guys do any research or reading on your own?

This is getting rediculous.

I've got an idea. How about we have debate between the International Officers and ask them these questions in front of the entire membership so everyone gets educated at the same time?

After all, an informed member is a strong member. Why the FEAR?

 

[Steve Connell]

Buck, I admit and stand corrected. However, the numbers, no matter how or where you derive them from, are dramatic. The fact that one person is without employment bothers me, AMFA, TWU , or whoever.

Both pro and con to AMFA and the TWU are displayed here. More anti TWU for sure, why? Because of the members that involve themselves here, nothing more.

We have opinions concerning our unionship, that is a positive thing, no doubt. Because without different opinions we would go forward without question. Those of us that are from TWA have no history to go on or blame as you at AA have. What I go on is my union beliefs, nothing more. I have looked at what AMFA has accomplished and am not impressed. I look at the fact that AMFA has no history to speak of in the last 30 years. I look at the fact that prior to the concessionary package and the outcome of that package that there is no real meat to the wantings of a new union.

 

[TWU informer]

I look at the fact that prior to the concessionary package and the outcome of that package that there is no real meat to the wantings of a new union.

I sense a weakness in that Bully Armor of yours there Steve.

Which concessions do you speak of? 1983, 1985, 1989, 1995, or 2003?

 

[mojo13]

Don't you guys do any research or reading on your own?

This is getting ridiculous.

I've got an idea. How about we have debate between the International Officers and ask them these questions in front of the entire membership so everyone gets educated at the same time?

After all, an informed member is a strong member. Why the FEAR?

That's what I think too! The debate is ridiculous....

 

[Steve Connell]

Dave, this has been ridiculous way before your post.

I personally see no need to have Delle or Sonny go at it anywhere. They both are groomed to give the best rebuttals necessary. What I care about is what hits home. See you on the 15th?

 

[TWU informer]

Dave, this has been ridiculous way before your post.

I personally see no need to have Delle or Sonny go at it anywhere. They both are groomed to give the best rebuttals necessary. What I care about is what hits home. See you on the 15th?

What about the rest of the members? Like the 8600 signed, do they still have say in the union? Or do their opinions matter with you TWU advocates? IS it your way or the highway Steve?

 

[Raptor]

So the TWU will pay up to 250 of it's membership per meeting to attend a debate amongst themselves?

Do they pay them to attend union meetings also?

Maybe that is why attendance is so low....at 514



Well Buck you do of course realize they only pay the people who support them, you are a TWU member but I can assure you, that you will never get UB you are too AMFA friendly
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[Steve Connell]

Absolutely, each and every person matters. Keep in mind my opinion is just that, but at MCIE I have talked to A LOT of mechs that state they signed a card to send a message to the TWU, not to AMFA.

Dave, I met you and Gary and Dan at KC, you all are genuine in your beliefs, I do not take that away from you. We simply do not agree, whether it is from your history and the lack of mine I do not know. I stand behind my local. currently it is the TWU. There are items of AMFA I do not agree with and items of the TWU you do not agree with. I just hope if this would come to a vote, and AMFA loses, that you and others , along with myself, find a way to make OUR UNION stronger against the company that truely is the catalyst of our losses.

 

[TWU informer]

Absolutely, each and every person matters. Keep in mind my opinion is just that, but at MCIE I have talked to A LOT of mechs that state they signed a card to send a message to the TWU, not to AMFA.

Dave, I met you and Gary and Dan at KC, you all are genuine in your beliefs, I do not take that away from you. We simply do not agree, whether it is from your history and the lack of mine I do not know. I stand behind my local. currently it is the TWU. There are items of AMFA I do not agree with and items of the TWU you do not agree with. I just hope if this would come to a vote, and AMFA loses, that you and others , along with myself, find a way to make OUR UNION stronger against the company that truely is the catalyst of our losses.

There you go telling lies again Steve. I have never been to KC, nor I have ever met you personally. I think you mistake me for Don.

I just hope if this would come to a vote, and AMFA loses, that you and others , along with myself, find a way to make OUR UNION stronger against the company that truely is the catalyst of our losses.

Somethings we do agree on. I hope the same of you when AMFA wins.

 

[Steve Connell]

Well I'd call it a mistake Dave, not a lie. I apologize.