Amfa Runs From Debate

Jim Little has sent a response to Delle today and has again invited him to the debate! And has requested the 3 rank and file members from Amfa to be in Tulsa next week!

Delle gave his response and indicated his willingness to debate, under mutaully agreeable terms once the election is announced. We dont see Kerry and Bush debating yet even though we know exactly when the election is going to take place, a debate now would be considered premature. The TWU is having a hard time dealing with such a concept as bilateralism, since they have been willing to accept the company's unilateral demands for concession for over twenty years they cant fathom the idea of real compromise.

Jim Little has said repeatedly " If any local wishes to have Me present to address the members feel free to ask" He will be glad to come!


Feel free to ask, it doesnt mean he will come.


The Debates are over after tomorrow! Delle has his last oppurtunity to stand up! If he refuses to show than that willl be it!


In other words My way or no way. I guess he feels that as ATD Director he can do that since he is not elected. OK so now we know, Little will not debate. So right before the ballotts go out, AMFA will simply hold a series of informational meetings. We know what the TWUs excuse will be already, "poor Jim is sick, so he cant debate, AMFA should have debated him when he was able". That strategy may have helped with the small group of dispatchers who likely knew Little personally but it may backfire with the thousands of mechanics who have never met Little. They may think "If he is too sick to debate, then how can he fight for me against the company"?

The fact is that Delles response was valid and made sense. The election process really has two stages of membership participation, the cards and the vote. The first series of debates was for the card collection process. Both parties chose not to debate although they both made unilateral offers. The TWU, while decilining the invitation by AMFA however did try to disrupt the AMFA meeting with a rediculous display and by verbally assualting those who chose to go in and hear what AMFA had to say. The AMFA did not stoop to such low level tactics during the TWUs informational meeting. The object of the parties was to either convince members not to call for a vote or to call for a vote. That process is complete and the cards were filed, the process is now in the determination phase where the NMB decides whether or not there will be an election. A debate at this time serves no purpose. The next phase once determination takes place will either be an election or a return to the card drive. Once the election is announced then the debates should be scheduled, it just makes sense.
 
Why do you think that Mr. Delle-Femine does NOT want to debate Mr. Little one-on-one Bob? He wants no part of Jim little and that has become apparantly true over these past few months. Why does he want a lawyer and his side kick with him on the panel?

And while I am asking about his intentions I will ask this.....do you think that his decision (which has been proven now with his quote to the NY Times) to take AA into bankruptcy (had he been here) would have been the smart thing or right thing to do for the union members??

It made me mad as hell when I heard that! I personally don't want him near my union much less be the leader. He has no conceot of unionism if that is the stance he has taken. He needs to stay in real estate right along with the highly paid Kevin McCormick who is making $800,000 per year, and looks to get $1.3 million if they acquire AA!!
 
As I see it that with the 5,000 - 6,000 members in Tulsa alone only 400- 600 showed up. So where is the TWU support?
The numbers show the interest in itself for the TWU. Or did the TWU did not want the TWU supporters to show up? Even for the TWU supporters in Tulsa the meeting was too restrictive. Time and day of week. This sounds to me that the TWU payed or invited people that are not in our class and craft as well as retirees and other airlines to show up. If this is true then the support for the TWU was even lower.
Sounds like TWU politics to me. Rest assure people, there will be another debate set up after an election is called. The TWU has no choice but to hold a debate on a weekend in a room large enough to hold thousands not hundreds. The last debate has confirmed this with so few showing up. I think the TWU should be worried. They can not address this AMFA drive/Election in denial. It is happening as we speak.
 
Raptor:

Per your signature, if there will be no debates why did you go?

Buck I did not go to see a debate we allready knew that was not going to take place I went to ask Jim Little a question, everyone seems to want to ask Little questions but no one wants to go where he is to ask them, I guess I don't understand why, I would have asked more questions given the oppertunity but atleast I got to ask one, didn't like the answer I got but that was kind of expected ;)

Buck I will say that I have been to my last AMFA and or TWU informational meeting I have enough information now to know what organization is best for me.

I stand by my signature there will never be any debate :lol:

AMFA in 2004 :D

1AA I thought the room was going to be too small myself but it turns out it was more than big enough as not that many people were at the 4:00pm meeting at our AMFA meeting we only had 300 and that was on a Saturday so even if you put the 300 with the 200 that is only 500 the TWUs room could have probably held that many and I think from here on out the turnout for either sides informational meeting will be much smaller no matter what day it is held on, I guess the Majority is tired of going to meeting and now we just want to vote. ;)
 
No one showed at the twu debate because we've all made up our minds. The people I work with are still pro-AMFA and nothing has changed their minds. We are still under the worst contract in aviation history and the twu does not deserve the right to represent us any longer. I'll take any union's representation as long as it's not the twu!!

The hate and discontent for the twu grows daily and will not change until they are gone. After seeing the company "pad" the list to try and protect their lapdog union from a vote was the last straw for those who still had any doubt. You twu wannabes are kidding yourself when it comes to knowing how the membership feels and how they will vote.

The line stations and AFW should be close to 100% AMFA and they make up close to half of the eligible voters. Tulsa and K.C. need just a few to put the AMFA on the property at AA. If the twu did a good job of representing us we would not be on the eve of the election.

Keep the Faith.......VOTE AMFA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
No one showed at the twu debate because we've all made up our minds. The people I work with are still pro-AMFA and nothing has changed their minds. We are still under the worst contract in aviation history and the twu does not deserve the right to represent us any longer. I'll take any union's representation as long as it's not the twu!!

The hate and discontent for the twu grows daily and will not change until they are gone. After seeing the company "pad" the list to try and protect their lapdog union from a vote was the last straw for those who still had any doubt. You twu wannabes are kidding yourself when it comes to knowing how the membership feels and how they will vote.

The line stations and AFW should be close to 100% AMFA and they make up close to half of the eligible voters. Tulsa and K.C. need just a few to put the AMFA on the property at AA. If the twu did a good job of representing us we would not be on the eve of the election.

Keep the Faith.......VOTE AMFA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree that most everyone has already made up their minds on both sides and now we just need to get on with the vote, if anyone does not know what side they want to vote for by now then they have their heads in the sand and probably won't even vote.
and of course not voting on would be a mistake for everyone.
 
Why do you think that Mr. Delle-Femine does NOT want to debate Mr. Little one-on-one Bob?

Well technically Delle should debate Sonny Hall right?

He wants no part of Jim little and that has become apparantly true over these past few months. Why does he want a lawyer and his side kick with him on the panel?

Why did the TWU send Luby into the Sept AMFA info meeting and why was Luby writing questions for the Tulsa guys to ask? I see the panel as a good move because the AMFA is not a one man show. More than likely the TWU side was going to present detailed questions that the other guys could answer more thoroughly. Delle is the National Director, still his knowledge of our contract and issues are more thorough than Sonny Halls. Sonny Hall said flat out, at the 2003 COPE Conference that he knew very little about our issues or contracts, but he appoints the guy to handle them.

And while I am asking about his intentions I will ask this.....do you think that his decision (which has been proven now with his quote to the NY Times) to take AA into bankruptcy (had he been here) would have been the smart thing or right thing to do for the union members??

I think the smart thing to do would have been to not agree to this six year contract under any circumstances or threats by the company. If anything, the union should have only offered to grant some concessions with a very short term agreement.

It made me mad as hell when I heard that! I personally don't want him near my union much less be the leader.He has no conceot of unionism if that is the stance he has taken.

So your concept of unionism is to give the company any and everything they want everytime they make a threat? No wonder the labor movement only has 13% of the population! People like you are killing the labor movement!


He needs to stay in real estate right along with the highly paid Kevin McCormick who is making $800,000 per year, and looks to get $1.3 million if they acquire AA!!

$800,000? Isnt that less than what the International pays in rent for their offices on Broadway?
I would rather see him get $1.3 million than see the company slip our union
officers $3.1 million to sell us down the river.
 
Raptor, what is that in your avatar? Is that someone fishing? I can't make it out.
At first I thought it might be a snake...

I'm not making fun, I am just curious
 
My World said:
Raptor, what is that in your avatar? Is that someone fishing? I can't make it out.
At first I thought it might be a snake...

I'm not making fun, I am just curious
Its a raptor, get some glasses!
 
Bob Owens said:
Its a raptor, get some glasses!
Can't afford em...but when I put my nose up to the screen I could make some kinda lizard. Thanks for the advice Bob... :blink:
 
My World said:
Can't afford em...but when I put my nose up to the screen I could make some kinda lizard. Thanks for the advice Bob... :blink:
Get a better Union, be able to afford glasses.
 
Decision 2004 said:
Get a better Union, be able to afford glasses.
With you for a leader? I'de rather go blind than have anything to do with you :down: :down: :down:
 
My World said:
With you for a leader? I'de rather go blind than have anything to do with you :down: :down: :down:
Huh? I think you just admitted you already are blind!

Get a grip, and learn. Once AMFA is on the property and I am your leader, should I tell you "just quit and go somewhere else to work" if you don't like it?

That is the word we get now.

It will be most interesting to watch how you react to that which you hate, and the majority will embrace.
 
My World said:
With you for a leader? I'de rather go blind than have anything to do with you :down: :down: :down:
With the twu you are deaf, dumb and blind because the twu does everything for you. Like ruin our profession, reduce your pay & benefits; all the while hiding the truth from you, preventing you from speaking or asking questions or letting you see what goes on at negotiations.
 
Decision 2004 said:
Huh? I think you just admitted you already are blind!

Get a grip, and learn. Once AMFA is on the property and I am your leader, should I tell you "just quit and go somewhere else to work" if you don't like it?

That is the word we get now.

It will be most interesting to watch how you react to that which you hate, and the majority will embrace.
The only thing that I hate are people I can't trust. That would put you on the top of the list. I see what you do when someone pisses you off, you take your revenge on that person. What a leader you would make scumbag.
 

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