Amfa Runs From Debate
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Dallas Air Mach
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HEY COWARD...............you posted the name of the letter write, yet you black out the the name of AMFA@DFW........AMFA@DFW ,(who I think is **** ******* but I'm not sure,)Decision 2004 said:
You are a true HIPROCRITE Dave
I never agreed to keep this e-mail "confidential", it was requested that I do so
How old are you Dave? I thought all this time you were a Mature adult, but I see I was wrong, You Dave, are acting like an ADOLESCENT kid, thats the kind we need to manage and protect us, And you want to be an officer of AMFA? with your mentality, TWU is receiveing more votes
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So you were wrong again. What's new about that?Dallas Air Mach said:
Just wait your time, and cast your vote. That is how it works.
You are entitled to your opinion, and when AMFA gets certified, I will then be entitled to mine also. Until then, enjoy your personal assault and name calling campaign.
Drip E. Kwill
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Raptor, I was at the "debate" and heard your question to Jim Little ref the hall. Being from another local I reserve my opinion for your local matters but do question the outcome. As Jim stated the International only gets involved when requested, your autonomous decisions is what makes the TWU better than the old IAM we were used to, however our scope language well exceeded the present, but all will come in time.Raptor said:My bet is that the 4:00pm video will not be released because Randy will not want anybody to see the question about how he said he was going to build a new Union Hall regardless of the fact that it was voted down 4 TIMES by the MAJORITY
Thats ok it was a lame meeting anyway not worth watching
Also Raptor, thanks for having the backbone and fortitude to at least show and ask your question...peace out...Drippy.
Drip I have to disagree with you on the local autonomy issue I know of some officers in NY like Chuck and Bob who will tell you that when they run their local the way they and their members want them too and the International can still file charges on them and have them removed because they do not like how they are running their local that is not autonomy to me with AMFA they truly do have local autonomy not just on paper but in real life.
What Randy did by not honoring the MAJORITY of the members votes all 4 times was to basically say I don't care what the members want I care about what I want and I say we are going to do things my way by spending millions of my members money on a Union Hall that they said they do not need at this time.
At local 514 we do not have a Democracy we have a thriving Dictatorship.
As far as coming to the meeting your welcome, I would have liked to ask Jim more questions but we could only ask one except of course the guy who jumped the line to slam on me and my question he was able to not only come to the mike twice but the second time he came to the mike it was not a question but a speech about how he did not like my question and did not think I had a right to vote against a new Union Hall because he did not see me at any Union meetings and the impartial moderator let him get away with it. <_<
You know I have never seen that guy at any Union meeting either but I am not gay I generally don't look around at the guys that are there I pay attention to the stage.
Hey Dallas,Dallas Air Mach said:
Dave Stewart doesn't play fair.....child's play or adult games!!!! The TWU doesn't want him so he is going to do everything in his power to see that they lose, even if that means "breaking the rules" and going out of the circle, if you will.
Joke's on him though!!!
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HUH ?twuer said:Hey Dallas,
Dave Stewart doesn't play fair.....child's play or adult games!!!! The TWU doesn't want him so he is going to do everything in his power to see that they lose, even if that means "breaking the rules" and going out of the circle, if you will.
Joke's on him though!!!
Did you eat fig newtons for lunch?
Raptor, with all due respect there is a difference in what Randy McDonald SAID as opposed to what Chuck and Bob DID. Regardless of what they said their members wanted they demonstrated dual unionism. As offciers they took an oath to the TWU, not amfa. They can argue all they want but it was wrong what they did....period. There is NO new union hall built or even in the process of being built. The membership's voice was heard!!Raptor said:Drip I have to disagree with you on the local autonomy issue I know of some officers in NY like Chuck and Bob who will tell you that when they run their local the way they and their members want them too and the International can still file charges on them and have them removed because they do not like how they are running their local that is not autonomy to me with AMFA they truly do have local autonomy not just on paper but in real life.
What Randy did by not honoring the MAJORITY of the members votes all 4 times was to basically say I don't care what the members want I care about what I want and I say we are going to do things my way by spending millions of my members money on a Union Hall that they said they do not need at this time.
At local 514 we do not have a Democracy we have a thriving Dictatorship.
As far as coming to the meeting your welcome, I would have liked to ask Jim more questions but we could only ask one except of course the guy who jumped the line to slam on me and my question he was able to not only come to the mike twice but the second time he came to the mike it was not a question but a speech about how he did not like my question and did not think I had a right to vote against a new Union Hall because he did not see me at any Union meetings and the impartial moderator let him get away with it. <_<
You know I have never seen that guy at any Union meeting either but I am not gay I generally don't look around at the guys that are there I pay attention to the stage.
If you are not happy with the leaders of 514 then do something about it. The elections are coming up. I'm sure I will get beat up over my comments but I am used to that. I again would like to echo Dripp E's comments and commend you for coming to the meeting. For the life of me cannot understand why the other amfa supporters didn't come (except for one guy at the first meeting). They have been crying at the chance to ask Jim Little questions and when given the chance they didnt' take it. Oh well.....
TWUer I agree with you about voting the right officers in office if very important and as a dues paying member I will be voting in this next Election, I do not agree with you about Chuck or Bob they are Free individuals with their own opinions just like everyone else and they should be free to express those opinions even when they disagree with their Union, without fear of reprisals, I do not think that they did anything wrong and if they were to be removed it should have been by their membership only if their local was truly autonomous, not by Jim Little or Sonny Hall, that is how I feel on that matter, I don't know Bob but I do know Chuck and he is a good guy that did nothing but try to keep his members informed of the TRUTH, he is very well liked by his membership and others around the system.
I realize that no Union Hall is scheduled to build right now but I think that is because of the AMFA drive the TWU does not want to look bad to the membership and cause the vote to go the wrong way for them
I believe if the shoe was on the other foot you would be singing a different story!!!Raptor said:TWUer I agree with you about voting the right officers in office if very important and as a dues paying member I will be voting in this next Election, I do not agree with you about Chuck or Bob they are Free individuals with their own opinions just like everyone else and they should be free to express those opinions even when they disagree with their Union, without fear of reprisals, I do not think that they did anything wrong and if they were to be removed it should have been by their membership only if their local was truly autonomous, not by Jim Little or Sonny Hall, that is how I feel on that matter, I don't know Bob but I do know Chuck and he is a good guy that did nothing but try to keep his members informed of the TRUTH, he is very well liked by his membership and others around the system.
I realize that no Union Hall is scheduled to build right now but I think that is because of the AMFA drive the TWU does not want to look bad to the membership and cause the vote to go the wrong way for them
Come on Bob, we have been over this time and time again. I guess you think that getting paid by the TWU while trying to sell amfa is the right thing to do. Of course you do, or you wouldn't have done it. Your members, 100% of them wanted you to!!! Why did you continure to get paid by the TWU, why didn't you resign your position, then publicy support amfa?? I don't care which way you look at and from which side you look at it from, it was the wrong thing to do. Now, go ahead a preach your sermon, again, but we have heard it before. Like I said to Raptor, had the circumstances been reversed it would have called for the same consequences. Dual unionism is wrong, especially as a paid officer. And that is what you did Bob. You deserved to be removed from your TWU position.Bob Owens said:
With that being said , I have no doubt that you were loyal to your members, but not all of your members supported amfa now did they? It wasn't amfa supplying you with the extra money for your position now was it? Open and shut case I'm afraid and you did it to yourself!!
Ken MacTiernan
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Bob, you and Chuck kept the membership informed and tried to "Change from within".Bob Owens said:
You know that is against the socialistic ideals of the twu appointed elite.
Oh, Chuck also was man enough not to sign a letter not in his own hand writing. He stood tall for his beliefs.
Thank you!
If only the twu had people like you and Chuck ELECTED to the international our profession would be better off.
Come on Bob, we have been over this time and time again. I guess you think that getting paid by the TWU while trying to sell amfa is the right thing to do. Of course you do, or you wouldn't have done it. Your members, 100% of them wanted you to!!!
The Stores guys obviously did not want that. You say that I was selling the AMFA when I was selling change. The leadership of the TWU International made the decision that only left the members with one option for change, not me. I supported the efforts of Local 100 and the SWA flight attendants for change, I often sent ideas out through the system to various Presidents with recommendations for change.
Why did you continure to get paid by the TWU, why didn't you resign your position, then publicy support amfa??
My members put me there to fight for them. I felt that I could have more of an impact from within, so I stayed. Your question is really double Jeopardy, if I had resigned you would say that I am a quiter, since I would not resign you fault me for not resigning. What you really mean is that there is no room for dissent, that Local Leaders who are elected by the members must submit to the will of the International leaders who are not.
I don't care which way you look at and from which side you look at it from, it was the wrong thing to do.
You still have not been specific as to exactly what I did. You claim that I was selling AMFA, what is your proof?
With that being said , I have no doubt that you were loyal to your members, but not all of your members supported amfa now did they?
Well all, or at least the overwhelming majority, including stores, except Bobby Gless and Levere Deane want to get rid of the TWU now!
It wasn't amfa supplying you with the extra money for your position now was it?
No, it was the members of Local 562 who supported what I wrote, even the stores guys.They wanted the TWU to be democratic and accountable. They wanted to be able to remove Jim Little, Gless, Yignst etc.
Open and shut case I'm afraid and you did it to yourself!!
You are wrong there, its just starting.
The Stores guys obviously did not want that. You say that I was selling the AMFA when I was selling change. The leadership of the TWU International made the decision that only left the members with one option for change, not me. I supported the efforts of Local 100 and the SWA flight attendants for change, I often sent ideas out through the system to various Presidents with recommendations for change.
Why did you continure to get paid by the TWU, why didn't you resign your position, then publicy support amfa??
My members put me there to fight for them. I felt that I could have more of an impact from within, so I stayed. Your question is really double Jeopardy, if I had resigned you would say that I am a quiter, since I would not resign you fault me for not resigning. What you really mean is that there is no room for dissent, that Local Leaders who are elected by the members must submit to the will of the International leaders who are not.
I don't care which way you look at and from which side you look at it from, it was the wrong thing to do.
You still have not been specific as to exactly what I did. You claim that I was selling AMFA, what is your proof?
With that being said , I have no doubt that you were loyal to your members, but not all of your members supported amfa now did they?
Well all, or at least the overwhelming majority, including stores, except Bobby Gless and Levere Deane want to get rid of the TWU now!
It wasn't amfa supplying you with the extra money for your position now was it?
No, it was the members of Local 562 who supported what I wrote, even the stores guys.They wanted the TWU to be democratic and accountable. They wanted to be able to remove Jim Little, Gless, Yignst etc.
Open and shut case I'm afraid and you did it to yourself!!
You are wrong there, its just starting.
