AMFA Organizing Drive to Replace Association

[lineguy43]

To be honest, I am being careful to not divulge exactly what work group I am in, because I really don't want to be bothered by the fringe groups on either side. I see and will state that their are issues on both sides. I voted NO for the JCBA because I think their are portions in the contract that shouldn't be their, including the TWU members not having the option to use the "LUS" medical. To me that's wrong. There are other reasons I voted no, but that is one.

Regarding AMFA, if I read their constitution correctly, all members pay 2 x an hourly rate. That means for me, I am going to be paying about $30 more a month in Union Dues. Will that extra money out of my pocket provide me something that IAM does not? I don't know the answer to that. That's why I ask questions.

I understand the tiredness of repeatedly being told NO and to GO AWAY. And that very well could have happen in this case. I know people that use to work in the office, that really only were in the Union because they "had" to be, and they may have been that way to organizers in the past.

Well I have lived it.. AMFA for sure made mistakes in our deal at NW but I can tell you the day we signed in our first contract before 9/11 I got a 13 dollar an hour raise overnight and my pension multiplier was 2x what the IAM offered us and no matter what our eventual outcome was there is no dispute the money top AMT's make in this industry and the other AMT's as well make the money they do because of our NW AMFA contract and that is a fact. We raised the bar for the industry. What has the IAM or TWU or teamsters done for us?????

 

[swamt]

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Please Note: As AIM and DFW has stated, keep signing and sending in those cards folks. They will still take them "until an applicable list and signature samples are received by the investigator" as stated on page 3 para 4 last sentence in bold.

 

[swamt]

In other airline mechanic contract news, UAL mechs are getting a 7 percent raise as of tomorrow based on a contract LOA industry reset. Along with a scheduled contract 1 percent raise in december.

And what will that take them to at absolute top out?
It's the same type language Alaska mechanics have in their contract, an industry reset.
Good for the UAL mechs. At approx 3.00 per hour that a decent non-contract date increase and remember that's on top of the 1% so could be a bit more than $3. Congrats to UAL mechs and thx for sharing D757.

 

[Old Azz Mechanic]

It is SOOOOOOO amazing how

Well I have lived it.. AMFA for sure made mistakes in our deal at NW but I can tell you the day we signed in our first contract before 9/11 I got a 13 dollar an hour raise overnight and my pension multiplier was 2x what the IAM offered us and no matter what our eventual outcome was there is no dispute the money top AMT's make in this industry and the other AMT's as well make the money they do because of our NW AMFA contract and that is a fact. We raised the bar for the industry. What has the IAM or TWU or teamsters done for us?????

You talk about what alma did for you before the strike. What did they do for you when you hit the street. Oh and did you end up running over to AA or US air. To let the TWU or IAM give you a job that AMFA could not get you. LMFAO. You guys crack me up. Let me guess, Trumper .

 

[dfw gen]

It is SOOOOOOO amazing how

You talk about what alma did for you before the strike. What did they do for you when you hit the street. Oh and did you end up running over to AA or US air. To let the TWU or IAM give you a job that AMFA could not get you. LMFAO. You guys crack me up. Let me guess, Trumper .

You cant fix stupid, in this case you cant even coach it

 

[Kev3188]

Well I have lived it.. AMFA for sure made mistakes in our deal at NW but I can tell you the day we signed in our first contract before 9/11 I got a 13 dollar an hour raise overnight and my pension multiplier was 2x what the IAM offered us and no matter what our eventual outcome was there is no dispute the money top AMT's make in this industry and the other AMT's as well make the money they do because of our NW AMFA contract and that is a fact. We raised the bar for the industry. What has the IAM or TWU or teamsters done for us?????

Those are obviously very important points- cash is king- but as I've noted on here before, AMFA does some things really well.

• Things like almost ALL elected officials still holding their "day job" while in office.
• Clear recall language.
• A much leaner structure.

Other unions would've done well to take note and adopt some of these ideas.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

DFW GEN;

I see that you commented on OAM statement, I am sure he meant AMFA not alma and I would like to know when the IAM & TWU became the people who do the hiring at any of the airlines? Also what the TWU or IAM do for any member when they get laid off ( as far as jobs ) or if the company goes out of business, Do they tell the other carriers to hire these guys? He must know what they do, when either of those situations occur. He is LHAO maybe he will explain?

I do enjoy that he accuses everyone of being a Trumper, not sure why or what that means, do you?

 

[dfw gen]

DFW GEN;

I see that you commented on OAM statement, I am sure he meant AMFA not alma and I would like to know when the IAM & TWU became the people who do the hiring at any of the airlines? Also what the TWU or IAM do for any member when they get laid off ( as far as jobs ) or if the company goes out of business, Do they tell the other carriers to hire these guys? He must know what they do, when either of those situations occur. He is LHAO maybe he will explain?

I do enjoy that he accuses everyone of being a Trumper, not sure why or what that means, do you?

Dont even waste your time responding to him. He is here to create havoc. Hes a plant from the association. Waste of time and effort

 

[D7571987]

The 1% we were getting anyway about 46 cents, another 1% Dec 2021 which is the last sched raise this contract.. So about 3.38 this month total. I will take it. The LOA was to try and prevent getting so far behind the other airlines especially when the company stalls nego for 5, 6 years like last time.

I think our vacation and some other things are better than AA and DL so even our new rates are lower than AA, DL I bet. Everything gets added together for the comparison and adjustment. I have no idea what the process or time it took for the union financial people and the company to come to these figures or whether this is a negotiated middle ground. Only AA and DL are considered by UAL.

Looks like now dayshift Line is 52.13, swing premium is .51. We also get $1.20 hr veba benefit from company at 40 hrs week only. So swing total 53.84.

And what will that take them to at absolute top out?
It's the same type language Alaska mechanics have in their contract, an industry reset.
Good for the UAL mechs. At approx 3.00 per hour that a decent non-contract date increase and remember that's on top of the 1% so could be a bit more than $3. Congrats to UAL mechs and thx for sharing D757.

 

[swamt]

Those are obviously very important points- cash is king- but as I've noted on here before, AMFA does some things really well.

• Things like almost ALL elected officials still holding their "day job" while in office.
• Clear recall language.
• A much leaner structure.

Other unions would've done well to take note and adopt some of these ideas.

Hey Kev., do you remember the last time where AMFA was blocked by a set up with the teamsters at AA? If some here may recall I remember when the TWU/IAM found out AMFA was close to having the number of cards needed they started promising to change things within the TWU at least not sure about IAM, but the TWU did promise to change some of their ways over to the way AMFA does things and then they decided to illegally block AMFA with a deal between the teamsters, TWU, AA and quite possibly had the NMB Q'd in on what was going to happen. Some of the promises were observers at the nego table, recall process, and something else I forget what it was. They abandoned all these promises once they found another way to block and keep AMFA out. I would be willing to bet you guys will see another set of promises as they never stopped the cards this time from getting to the NMB. Fantastic move by the Organizers keeping it quiet until AFTER they filed...

 

[swamt]

The 1% we were getting anyway about 46 cents, another 1% Dec 2021 which is the last sched raise this contract.. So about 3.38 this month total. I will take it. The LOA was to try and prevent getting so far behind the other airlines especially when the company stalls nego for 5, 6 years like last time.

I think our vacation and some other things are better than AA and DL so even our new rates are lower than AA, DL I bet. Everything gets added together for the comparison and adjustment. I have no idea what the process or time it took for the union financial people and the company to come to these figures or whether this is a negotiated middle ground. Only AA and DL are considered by UAL.

Looks like now dayshift Line is 52.13, swing premium is .51. We also get $1.20 hr veba benefit from company at 40 hrs week only. So swing total 53.84.

Good for you guys. Thx for info.

 

[swamt]

DFW GEN;

I see that you commented on OAM statement, I am sure he meant AMFA not alma and I would like to know when the IAM & TWU became the people who do the hiring at any of the airlines? Also what the TWU or IAM do for any member when they get laid off ( as far as jobs ) or if the company goes out of business, Do they tell the other carriers to hire these guys? He must know what they do, when either of those situations occur. He is LHAO maybe he will explain?

I do enjoy that he accuses everyone of being a Trumper, not sure why or what that means, do you?

Little does he know what AMFA did for the members on strike. AMFA members from other airlines joined the brothers and sisters at NWA on their strike lines if full support all the while TWU, IAM and other unions were crossing their picket lines and even doing some of the mechanics and related work for the co. so sad indeed. Also AMFA Local 11 out of Dallas Tx. PAID the bills of said NWA strikers. Mortgages, gas bills, car payments, day care, health bills etc... YES paid them in full not just helping out. No other union has ever done that so tell OAM to pack sand on his efforts of trying to make alma--oops, I mean AMFA look bad.
I would like to add that the automotive as well as other industry unions did also come to help support the NWA members on strike after hearing how the other unions on property were crossing AMFA's picket line and doing the strikers work for the company. Pretty hard to win when you got company, NMB, TWU, IAM, teamsters and outside scabs going against them.
BTW; I fully admit being a Trumper Thumper!!!

 

[swamt]

DFW GEN;

I see that you commented on OAM statement, I am sure he meant AMFA not alma and I would like to know when the IAM & TWU became the people who do the hiring at any of the airlines? Also what the TWU or IAM do for any member when they get laid off ( as far as jobs ) or if the company goes out of business, Do they tell the other carriers to hire these guys? He must know what they do, when either of those situations occur. He is LHAO maybe he will explain?

I do enjoy that he accuses everyone of being a Trumper, not sure why or what that means, do you?

Forgot to thank you and DFW for help with Thunderdome. I have sent him the list that was provided to me of the "and Related" to answer his questions. I did tell him to shoot any more questions to myself and or you organizers if needed in future. Taking the time with this man from one of the "and Related" groups will do more good than we will see. There are a lot of folks just like him who either don't wanna post or just want to remain anonymous and I don't blame him. When the teamsters got word what we were doing at SWA to bring in AMFA they went to door steps and yes with bats threatening people, there were some escorted off properties by the police true dam story...

AMFA@AA2020!!!

 

[Duke787]

Has anybody heard from the association defending it's formation and lack of voting?

All I’ve been hearing is scare type rhetoric how we will all be doomed like Alaskan UAL, SWA, and DAL mechs without association there to protect us

 

[dfw gen]

Has anybody heard from the association defending it's formation and lack of voting?

All I’ve been hearing is scare type rhetoric how we will all be doomed like Alaskan UAL, SWA, and DAL mechs without association there to protect us

We arent suppised to talk about that...