AMFA Drive started in Tulsa ?

[nitronutt]

Well where shall we draw the line on members lost do you want to include only the BK in the 2000's or should we go back to the fact that the TWU represented the mechanic's at Pan Am and the F/A's at Eastern etc etc etc.

Cat got your tongue Nitronutt I think there were about 9000 AMT's at NWA and I believe about 92% honored the strike and never went back at United 10,000 at one time the Indy base was closed under the IAM I do not know the numbers that lost there job during that time but at the end of BK about 6,000 survied i am doing all this from memory so these are round numbers so tell me how many Mechanic's at Pan Am and how many F/A's where there at Eastern and how many TWA mechanics that have lost there jobs at AA for starters.

At this point I do not have that information. I am just saying that we dont need to lose needless numbers due to a hasty decision. I just did not think this was the right time for a card drive. We have a full plate and are struggling to survive this. Why bring more uncertainy ? Nothing is guaranteed in bringing in a new union, could be a bigger mess than we already are dealing with.

 

[TWU informer]

At this point I do not have that information. I am just saying that we dont need to lose needless numbers due to a hasty decision. I just did not think this was the right time for a card drive. We have a full plate and are struggling to survive this. Why bring more uncertainy ? Nothing is guaranteed in bringing in a new union, could be a bigger mess than we already are dealing with.

There is no struggle, the Judge will soon rule or we will vote on another offer.
The only struggle that is taking place is the one happening in your own mind, while you are busy fearing the future.
Many will not survive this.
You pretend as if there is still something that will be done by the most docile Union in the industry.
There are alot of things guaranteed when we bring in a new Union. You just keep refusing to acknowledge them.
There is no such thing as a bigger mess than we have right now, and it will be settled before we elect a new Union.

 

[nitronutt]

OK the current sitting president has spent more than all the previous presidents combined. So what is your point?

If you want to do good for your community volunteer your time. Do not charge your employer a fee to be a good citizen.

The current administration put its domestic and stimulus plans in place and I must admit both plans failed. Brings me to my point, the economic outlook outside of AA and the TWU is very bleak. I say that meaning the AMT pay rate at which most will have to accept is $ 15 to
$ 18 per hour. I believe the AMT wage is worth far more than that.

 

[aapitbull]

At this point I do not have that information. I am just saying that we dont need to lose needless numbers due to a hasty decision. I just did not think this was the right time for a card drive. We have a full plate and are struggling to survive this. Why bring more uncertainy ? Nothing is guaranteed in bringing in a new union, could be a bigger mess than we already are dealing with.

My point is that the twu intl is full of cowards and idiots and the membership has chosen to fight if we are going to fight we need leaders we can trust and that will not put their interest in front of ours the twu cares only about saving dues payers at any cost AMFA has proven they will follow the direction of the members for better {see NWA 2000 contract} and for worse {see strike at NWA in 2004} we are at odds with our leaders time to replace them with ones that will listen know one knows where this ends for sure but if we are to have a chance all of us must get on the same page. So sign the dam card and lets put it to a vote and atleast we will have truely elected leaders either way.

 

[TWU informer]

Oh great once again someone attempts to send the thread into some stupid discussion on meaningless politics.
Why does the ignorance continue?

 

[nitronutt]

Oh great once again someone attempts to send the thread into some stupid discussion on meaningless politics.
Why does the ignorance continue?

Im not one to point fingers but you might look to buck for the starter of the political comment.

 

[Mr Red]

Oh great once again someone attempts to send the thread into some stupid discussion on meaningless politics.
Why does the ignorance continue?

They have no LIFE !!

 

[Buck]

Im not one to point fingers but you might look to buck for the starter of the political comment.

I beg to differ you brought up the economic downturn. I pointed out that by your indication, with no gains from the TWU, that economic downturn has lasted 30 years.

You started it I just made a comparison.

I apologize to you Informer for straying, back to topic.

I just received 30 AMFA cards. It appears we are well on our way.

Nitro why are you afraid of a democratic election?

 

[Show me the money]

nitronutt I see you have engaged in the typical I know you are but what am I rhetoric. I have asked very specific questions of you so we can all know if you are talking from fiction or fact.With your lack of an answer I must conclude you are total fiction and a TWU STOOGE. Keep drinking that cool-aid

 

[nitronutt]

nitronutt I see you have engaged in the typical I know you are but what am I rhetoric. I have asked very specific questions of you so we can all know if you are talking from fiction or fact.With your lack of an answer I must conclude you are total fiction and a TWU STOOGE. Keep drinking that cool-aid

So many questions have been asked, I am only one and appears to be dozens of AMFA supporters. Are you refering to the officer question? Some of the other questions I can not answer at the moment I will have to look into these. I was not aware that all the TWU supporters have been run off of this forum. I figured there was a wide mix of union brothers but appears to be a AMFA plastering board.

 

[nitronutt]

I was only trying to get some questions answered and compare notes on info I have concerning AMFA. I have not had too many answered but a mear scolding for asking questions about the almighty AMFA. Seems like a new approach for a card drive, shame or scold them into signing.

 

[TWU informer]

So many questions have been asked, I am only one and appears to be dozens of AMFA supporters. Are you refering to the officer question? Some of the other questions I can not answer at the moment I will have to look into these. I was not aware that all the TWU supporters have been run off of this forum. I figured there was a wide mix of union brothers but appears to be a AMFA plastering board.

What does that tell you? Wait until you see the election results.

 

[AA89]

I think you will find that plastering of AMFA support throughout the system. That explains the no-vote on the T/A and the supposed LBO.
People are finally seeing their future under the TWU and they don't like it.

If you are truly interested in answers to your questions you may have to put up with a little doubt and sarcasm but filter through it and you will have your answers.

 

[nitronutt]

I think you will find that plastering of AMFA support throughout the system. That explains the no-vote on the T/A and the supposed LBO.
People are finally seeing their future under the TWU and they don't like it.

If you are truly interested in answers to your questions you may have to put up with a little doubt and sarcasm but filter through it and you will have your answers.

Thank you for a straight forward, honest answer.

 

[TWU informer]

I was only trying to get some questions answered and compare notes on info I have concerning AMFA. I have not had too many answered but a mear scolding for asking questions about the almighty AMFA. Seems like a new approach for a card drive, shame or scold them into signing.

You have not just been innocently asking questions. You have been blaming AMFA for everything negative that has happened in the industry including what is happening at American Airlines.

A person that is seeking questions regarding AMFA does not follow the questions with statements that demonstrate hate for a Craft Union. You do not appear neutral on the issue to me, and in fact, while you post playing the victim, you are actually attacking AMFA and the AA AMFA supporters 10 times for every one question you ask.

I doubt that anyone that reads back through this thread will view you as an innocent victim of scolding.