Yea like B-scale, prefunding, SRPs, etc.
American Offers Pay for Performance
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Hey Newbie you need to do your homework before making humorous posts like this.
The TWU is not a leader unless you consider concessionary contracts to be industry leading.
The TWU is a follower and at times jumps on the band wagon. They are a total disgrace to what unionism means in this country. The TWU is a company sellout union and is in bed with arrogant airline management. Both the TWU and AA slapped us in the face after we accepted the draconian concessionary contract that we are still working under and now the TWU and AA are entertaining the thought of shoving it up our rears for another two years for some ridiculous compensation package that as of yet no one knows the exact details. The pilots union was approached with a possible extension and they told them to go shove it. The pilots and flight attendants unions placed full page ads in papers nation wide to express their disgust with the executive compensation payouts. What did the TWU do at the same time? They placed a full page ad in the Tulsa World showing how the TWU and AA are working together. Please do us a favor and go back where you came from. Open your eyes and ears and educate yourself before you post comments like this. That is unless you are a TWU lackey.
That's right they only have enough to pay back 2 of the unions, so the twu stepped up and volunteered to have their membership screwed with this extension.
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Ken MacTiernan
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Can't afford crack even if I wanted too. Concessions saw to that.
Again, why can't we get back what we want? The company got what they wanted it when they "needed" it so we should be able to do the same now.
Sure, let's give a two year extension to the company "to allow them to get a little stronger financial picture". Then when that two years is up we can give them another two years, and so on because the company and union will always come up with an excuse why it is needed.
By your alias and member profile I can see that you are either in a union office or management office typing what your master tells you.
h34r:It's probably Don Videtich. I was told that he actually told a union brother, in front of company officials, that he must be on crack when the brother said he wanted everything back.Can't afford crack even if I wanted too. Concessions saw to that.
Again, why can't we get back what we want? The company got what they wanted it when they "needed" it so we should be able to do the same now.
Sure, let's give a two year extension to the company "to allow them to get a little stronger financial picture". Then when that two years is up we can give them another two years, and so on because the company and union will always come up with an excuse why it is needed.
By your alias and member profile I can see that you are either in a union office or management office typing what your master tells you.
The fact is "everything back and then some" is more than reasonable, the company can afford it. Sure people like FWAA would love to see our expectations lowered because it means more profits for the shareholders.
Its not unreasonable for us to expect everything back that we gave up to prevent BK. We had all this stuff before so there is no reason why we shouldnt expect it again, we still make the same sacrifices. If the company claims they cant afford it they are lying, the fact is we have around 30% fewer employees with around the same revenue.
The company claimed they needed to reduce labor costs by 25%, Well they did that initially by cutting our compensation by 25%, then they went and eliminated another 30% of the workforce, thus lowering costs well beyond the 25% that was needed at that time of crisis. Well the crisis is over, if they give us everything back their costs are still 30%, well beyond the 25% they claimed they needed, than they used to be because there is 30% less employees..
Ken MacTiernan
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How much more productive is an AMT who is working on a gate call/RON pirep/etc. and works right up to his quitting time seeing the problem corrected compared to an AMT who gives a written & verbal turn over so he can clean up and change out of his uniform. This turn over will increase the time needed to finish the repair. Does the company not get it?
By the way. If Don Videtich is posting under an alias I challenge him to admit it. If he is posting, or any other twu official is posting under an alias they help prove how fearful the twu is of the membership.
Chuck Schalk
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It has been established a long time ago " you are either part of the solution or part of the problem"
Can we as TWU members or AA employees identify anyone who is part of our solution?
Please let me know who these people are and what it is that they are doing towards my solution or trying to help me and my family survive at my current job?
Can we as TWU members or AA employees identify anyone who is part of our solution?
Please let me know who these people are and what it is that they are doing towards my solution or trying to help me and my family survive at my current job?
Chuck Schalk
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This is a repeat of history with the TWU! The Presidents council is a scapegoat for the International perioid! In my opinion, This whole deal has been worked out and they will use the presidents Council to buy into it and get it to the membership for a vote and then blame the Presidents and the members. I can't beleive after all these years of smoke and mirrors newly elected presidents do not see it or want to try to change it for the benefit of their members. Even if they tried and failed it would better than leading us to the slaughter again. For the Presidents who have been here before shame on the members for re-electing the sheep.
Most of these Presidents are eyeing up International spots as an escape. They have no intentions on fighting for"their members". When the deal goes down and the members are outraged all they will do is point fingers at everyone else.
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<_< ------- Has anyone heard anything else at all about this so called proposal? Or has this hand picked committee sequestered itself indefinitely? :huh:
Ken MacTiernan
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I heard that the company wanted a three year extension and Jim Little said the membership would not go for three they might go for two. I predict that the union will try to present the union's idea on non-traditional compensation with perhaps an 18 month extension.
I am disgusted that the twu would assist the company in not giving us back what was taken. Amazed, no. Disgusted, yes.
Sounds to me like the TWU has already accepted the proposal. Why would you expect anything different from them?
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<_< ------- We're supposed to have a "special Union meeting" on the 29th. Well, the hard sell begins! :down:
I like your statement Ken.. "the union will try to present the union's idea on non-traditional compensation".. never a truer word said.
At ORD we have heard that its a 24 to 36 month extension. The non traditional part sounds as though its going to be tied to performance, like amount of MEL's cleared, OTS aircraft back in service time and things of that nature, with some minimum acceptable level and then anything above that tied to a dollar(or more likely cents) amount added into our base pay rate..
