American looking to "right-size" the company and staffing levels for the Fall and 2021

You don't know what the hell your talking about AMFAinMIAMI. You are just slinging mud.

I was UNION.

Local 514.

They shut my shop down because we were Title 3 (Fleet Service) at a Title 1 (Mechanics) controlled base and no one gave a crap about us and the 514 President (Sam Cirri) a Fleet Service Clerk and Debbie TIller, the Fleet Service chairman, were too busy cutting an under the table deal to save their own ass to represent our interest.

I paid a hell of a lot of money over the years to NOT get represented.

I support UNIONs but I do not support TWU because they sure as hell did not support me. Maybe things are different under AMFA. Maybe if I worked under AMFA I would have a different attitude.

When you have people you pay to represent you stab you in the back and worked in an environment where the majority of rank and file employees were either openly hostile or indifferent to your very existence. (most mechanics were either glad to see us go or could care less) then feel free to share your opinion about others living up to your UNION ideals.

One of the people in our shop attended a meeting at the local 514 UNION hall to air grievances about our shop being eliminated only to have another UNION member (a mechanic) tell him to sit down and shut his mouth while the rest of the membership applied peer pressure to censor and censure him. That is 514 representation. Does that sound like a UNION to you? You ever have a fellow UNION brother just totally shut you out at a UNION meeting?

Save your IGM speech and accusations. When you work under the same sorry circumstances I did for 12 years then feel free to comment. Until then save me the benefit of your know nothing judgemental comments about me living up to your UNION ideals.
Same story, 15x. Poor upey loop, screwed by the union.... Ive had it rammed into me a time or 2, so f'n what.. Move the F on.
 
Just for clarification. AMFA clearly, so far, does not advocate for pay cuts to save jobs. They proved this in the mid 2000's by striking instead of pay cuts and layoffs of over 53% of the members. They did again later on while at United and did NOT allow lower wages instead of layoffs and even strengthened the outsourcing language after taking it over from the IAM.
Sounds like they are a REAL UNION.

So no AMFA really never has supported that move like these industrial unions do in order to keep as many dues payers on the list as possible.
All I got to say is as far as your wife is concerned, if she was my wife I would ask her to NOT take a paycut over layoff at American, UNLESS, she or her union can get it in writing, with snap back clauses and away to get back to where they should be when certain parameters are met down the road. Otherwise AA will do what they always do and get the unions to agree with pay cuts, furlough and layoff anyway, and then if they do go into BK again they will get the union to agree to more concessions and more layoffs. They have done it for the last 3 times. Fixing to do it again as long as this asso (TWU/IAM) is still representing them.
I agree 100%.

People accuse me of being antiUNION because I am critical of the TWU. During my tenure at American Airlines I was stabbed in the back by the UNION leaders I PAID to represent me, then stabbed in the back again by my coworkers for daring to speak the truth, the stabbed in the back again when the international turned a blind eye to wrongdoing in the 514. Somebody is going to have to point out the UNION part of TWU because I don't see it.
 
Same story, 15x.
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Ive had it rammed into me a time or 2,
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so f'n what.. Move the F on.
Why should I? I will remind the membership any chance I get because they deserve better than the Association.
 
Do you, as of TODAY, have active occ seniority bumping rights anywhere in the system ?
I would like to know why the sudden interest in my recall status?

What does it matter?

They are about to have a HUGE layoff? As a currently laid off employee where could I possibly bump?

It is irrelevant if I have bumping or transfer rights because I could not use them anyway.
 
I would like to know why the sudden interest in my recall status?

What does it matter?

They are about to have a HUGE layoff? As a currently laid off employee where could I possibly bump?

It is irrelevant if I have bumping or transfer rights because I could not use them anyway.


Not true.

Because IF you had active bumping rights, you could be laid off now (as you are), yet activate bumping rights (say to DFW) (GOD FORBID) at a later date, if said bumping right had not Expired !

I know people who chose the 'street' because their seniority couldn't hold their station, OR said station no longer existed .
Either way, there was an expiration date to exercise ones bumping right to someplace else.

AFTER the 'E-D', one would be TOTALLY disconnected from AA, left only with a vested pension to be used at the earliest, age 62, when electing Social Security !

Might THAT be your case, choosing the street, because you were not going to go anywhere other than TUL ?
 
Not true.

Because IF you had active bumping rights, you could be laid off now (as you are), yet activate bumping rights (say to DFW) (GOD FORBID) at a later date, if said bumping right had not Expired !

I know people who chose the 'street' because their seniority couldn't hold their station, OR said station no longer existed .
Either way, there was an expiration date to exercise ones bumping right to someplace else.

AFTER the 'E-D', one would be TOTALLY disconnected from AA, left only with a vested pension to be used at the earliest, age 62, when electing Social Security !

Might THAT be your case, choosing the street, because you were not going to go anywhere other than TUL ?
To answer your question yes I do have bumping rights and I will until 2022. That is IF the new contract still allows for 10 years recall rights of Title III employees.

I chose not to bump because I was not going to chase the job. At my seniority level options were limited anyway. Many of my ex coworkers decided to put their name on the list to transfer to another title group at TULE. However, I decided not to pursue that and instead focus on starting a new career.

I would only go back to work for American Airlines under 2 circumstances.

I needed a job and could not find one that paid decent. Then I would consider putting in a transfer for another title group while still pursuing another job in my new career field.

or

I knew I could put in a transfer for another title group and CS off half my hours. I would maintain employment at American Airlines only for the benefits and as an "insurance policy" in case I got laid off at my primary job. If I got laid off at my primary I would simply turn American Airlines into full time until I found something else then start CS'ing off half my time again..

At any rate with looming layoffs, the economy falling apart, and air travel down I doubt those options would be open to me anyway.
 
Kev., I thought you have enough seniority to stay on board? Maybe some shuffling around a bit, but you talk as if you are expecting to get laid off. I hope you don't Kev.
Sending prayers your way for a positive outcome for ya. Stay strong, stay safe.

Thanks, man! I do have decent seniority, but I'm planning for the worst. I'd rather it be all for naught than to be blindsided come 10/1.
 
All this chatter on layoffs, paycuts, temporary leaves and bumping.
So far nothing from the association and company. It's all speculation. The one thing association members need to ask is when will the final signed and dated contractual agreement be available? The current publication is still the T/A that we voted on. It is not the final language. There are no effective dates printed. There are letters of memorandum not letters of agreement. Big difference. So we still have no final dated agreement, no letters of agreement for specific items that need clarification. Basically the two parties are still writing, altering, amending and cleaning up the T/A agreement before its final signed agreed version. If there is a final signed dated contract with all letters of agreement in place please post a link.
 
Thanks, man! I do have decent seniority, but I'm planning for the worst. I'd rather it be all for naught than to be blindsided come 10/1.
Good. We all should be planning for the worst. If it's all for nothing, then I will redirect all my savings towards retirement and becoming debt free again. Right now just packing away $$$ for a rough future, hopefully never have to touch it.

All this chatter on layoffs, paycuts, temporary leaves and bumping.
So far nothing from the association and company. It's all speculation. The one thing association members need to ask is when will the final signed and dated contractual agreement be available? The current publication is still the T/A that we voted on. It is not the final language. There are no effective dates printed. There are letters of memorandum not letters of agreement. Big difference. So we still have no final dated agreement, no letters of agreement for specific items that need clarification. Basically the two parties are still writing, altering, amending and cleaning up the T/A agreement before its final signed agreed version. If there is a final signed dated contract with all letters of agreement in place please post a link.
You guys still don't have the final language signed? Or even agreed to yet?? You have got to be kidding!? No dates set in writing either? Only letters of morandoms?
I have to ask, why in the heel does a union bring out an "INCOMPLETE" contract offer to vote on? I do remember talking about them were still nego the final language, but they still don't have that??? How freakin pathetic!! What more will you guys take from this dysfunctional asso.? Since this language, dates and letters are not final and still being agreed upon and drafted, just how much will it change from the T/A language to reflect a better outcome for the co. and asso. This is beyond pathetic representation. I still cannot believe some of these guys refuse to get rid of this group from representing them. Un-Freakin-believable!!!

Think about this. They are not even done with contract language, dates, letters and other important written contract language and they are already in talks about what will come this fall with the co. as both sides have already admitted. Here comes round 4. You guys should have changed representation a long freakin time ago. Now you will have to live with what these industrial unions agree to have done to you all once again with their behind closed doors deals coming out this fall...
 
Any word on how deep these cuts are going to go for Title 1?

Doug Parker made an announcement American Airlines was going to retire 100 aircraft.
 

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