American looking to "right-size" the company and staffing levels for the Fall and 2021

[swamt]

The company just reopened the VLOA for all work groups except Pilots.

See Jetnet for details.

HMMMM.
They saw the low turn out I bet, didn't they?

 

[dfw gen]

HMMMM.
They saw the low turn out I bet, didn't they?

As they will continue to see....

 

[robbedagain]

HMMMM.
They saw the low turn out I bet, didn't they?

Back by popular demand! Ive heard a lot of folks want to reconsider for those who did not take it n those who want to extend. Ive been giving it some thought though i dont know if i will consider taking it

 

[CremaDiLimone]

25% of your pay, while another airline (southwest, i believe) is offering 50% of your pay for taking a voluntary leave...what a waste of cloud space by aa.

it should also be brought up to be clear, unlike aa's passion for vagueness...that the additional $600 a week unemployment from the feds could be allowed to expire at the end of july.

bottom line, if an aa employee took a 3 month voluntary leave in march and got approved for unemployment by their state..looks like they'll came out the best. more pay sitting at home, safer from the virus than those trudging into work everyday.

 

[dfw gen]

25% of your pay, while another airline (southwest, i believe) is offering 50% of your pay for taking a voluntary leave...what a waste of cloud space by aa.

it should also be brought up to be clear, unlike aa's passion for vagueness...that the additional $600 a week unemployment from the feds could be allowed to expire at the end of july.

bottom line, if an aa employee took a 3 month voluntary leave in march and got approved for unemployment by their state..looks like they'll came out the best. more pay sitting at home, safer from the virus than those trudging into work everyday.

Just another "out of touch" program

 

[V.O. Reason]

Anyone hearing when we may hear about numbers for the represented groups.
I hope that it will be sometime in July to give those effected time to make decisions and plans

 

[dfw gen]

Anyone hearing when we may hear about numbers for the represented groups.
I hope that it will be sometime in July to give those effected time to make decisions and plans

i would think if you are in the bottom 40% it might be a good thing to prepare. not that they will layoff 40% but by the time bumping starts who knows what will happen? but then again we do have the association an once the iam decides how laoffs will go and then informs the twu the way its gong to be....im sure it will work out equitably like it has all along...

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Anyone hearing when we may hear about numbers for the represented groups.
I hope that it will be sometime in July to give those effected time to make decisions and plans

i believe the WARN act is state-specific. my state says that any employer with 75 or more FT employees (regardless of PT number) must give a 60 day notice of mass layoffs.

unfortunately, there are a lot of loopholes about notification - such as amount of workers affected at each particular site, % of workers overall...etc..kinda muddies the waters.

the union needs to get their arms around this WARN act by july. 60 days backwards from sept. 30...looks like apprx. aug. 1 is the date.

18,000+ FSCs. i'm inside the top 25%, i feel secure about not getting laid-off, i'm not so sure about the company asking the assoc. for concessions. aa said they will hit a daily zero cash-burn rate sometime in the 4th quarter.

my stance is no concessions.

 

[V.O. Reason]

i would think if you are in the bottom 40% it might be a good thing to prepare. not that they will layoff 40% but by the time bumping starts who knows what will happen? but then again we do have the association an once the iam decides how laoffs will go and then informs the twu the way its gong to be....im sure it will work out equitably like it has all along...

I think 40 percent is a bit pessimistic but it’s hard to gage based on many things.
Our loads are definitely improving but again we have permanently parked a lot of aircraft so time will tell

 

[dfw gen]

I think 40 percent is a bit pessimistic but it’s hard to gage based on many things.
Our loads are definitely improving but again we have permanently parked a lot of aircraft so time will tell

the number is just my personal opinion, i have no inside info at all. they like to monkey see monkey do. watch united what they do and we will follow suit. thats what we do best.

 

[dfw gen]

I think 40 percent is a bit pessimistic but it’s hard to gage based on many things.
Our loads are definitely improving but again we have permanently parked a lot of aircraft so time will tell

yup. you have to keep in mind bumping. what i meant to say was 40% could be affected some how some way.

 

[Kev3188]

August 1 is definitely a day to watch. At DL, all early retirements or enhanced severance people have an effective exit date of 8/1. My guess is a lot of people will be getting their WARN letters while eating cake & ice cream.

 

[dfw gen]

August 1 is definitely a day to watch. At DL, all early retirements or enhanced severance people have an effective exit date of 8/1. My guess is a lot of people will be getting their WARN letters while eating cake & ice cream.

Yup.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Anyone hearing when we may hear about numbers for the represented groups.
I hope that it will be sometime in July to give those effected time to make decisions and plans

I read an article that stated they WOULD make an announcement in July.

 

[Slopoke]

it should also be brought up to be clear, unlike aa's passion for vagueness...that the additional $600 a week unemployment from the feds could be allowed to expire at the end of july.

Just to be clear, the federal unemployment payments end on July 31 and it's not a rolling 3 months of eligibility. So, if you apply now, no more $600.00 payments will come after July 31. A few people that I've talked to, thought that you can get 3 months of payments by the feds as long as you apply before July 31. Not the case.