American looking to "right-size" the company and staffing levels for the Fall and 2021

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

ARE YOU DONE PUTTING YOUR 2 CENTS INTO A DISCUSSION THAT YOU HAVE NO PART OF? MAYBE YOU SHOULD GET A LIFE OUTSIDE OF THE AIRLINES THAT YOU WALKED AWAY FROM. SINCE YOU WIFE WORKS HERE MAYBE HAVE HER POST SINCE SHE HAS A STAKE IN HER CAREER.

Excuse me?

I have a pension, and my wife works there in Title 1.

I don't need your permission or validation to have an interest in something that affects my every day life.

I was not aware I had to pass a purity test to post here. Who decides eligibility? You?

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

He cant, he really has not walked very far away. Probably cant stand the fact that he has to walk away

Yes I really miss having no control over my shift, working weekends, less holidays, less pay, far less vacation time, and working with people that feel entitled to just show up and collect a check. Yeah, I really miss ALL of that.

Oh and I get to work from home and dodge the daily commute.... I just loved spending my time and fuel driving back and forth to work everyday.... that is the part I miss the most.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I BET YOU WOULD CROSS A PICKET LINE TO SAVE AA,

Absolutely not.

AND WHAT IF YOUR WIFE WAS SOMEONE THAT AA OR THE TWU SAID THEY DON'T NEED? WOULD YOU STILL FEEL THE SAME?

I thought I made myself pretty clear that I expected her to get laid off in October so yeah... I would feel the same way.

AT SOME POINT THE EMPLOYEES NEED TO PULL UP THEIR BIG BOY PANTS AND MAKE A STAND.

What are you making a stand against genius, low market demand?

I KNOW WORKING IN T-TOWN FOR AA AND THE TWU YOU NEVER WERE TAUGHT THAT. EVERY COMPANY HAS IT'S OWN AGENDA WE WORK FOR AA IN NAME ONLY.

......

You are a clown.

The more you post the dumber you sound.

Why would I need the TWU to teach me something that is very obvious to any working person, UNIONized or otherwise.

WE (AA) WENT BK AND NOW WORK FOR THE MGMT TEAM OF AMERICA WEST WHICH RAN USAIR.

Who cares?

You work under a negotiated contract.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

In case anyone thinks that taking payouts will save jobs you need to see what Carty and Little did in 2003. So let's put that to rest once and for all. It took several years to get back that 17% base paycut. The recalls came sooner but the pay cuts stayed.

Tell that clown AMFAinMIAMI

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I BET YOU WOULD CROSS A PICKET LINE TO SAVE AA, AND WHAT IF YOUR WIFE WAS SOMEONE THAT AA OR THE TWU SAID THEY DON'T NEED? WOULD YOU STILL FEEL THE SAME? AT SOME POINT THE EMPLOYEES NEED TO PULL UP THEIR BIG BOY PANTS AND MAKE A STAND. I KNOW WORKING IN T-TOWN FOR AA AND THE TWU YOU NEVER WERE TAUGHT THAT. EVERY COMPANY HAS IT'S OWN AGENDA WE WORK FOR AA IN NAME ONLY. WE (AA) WENT BK AND NOW WORK FOR THE MGMT TEAM OF AMERICA WEST WHICH RAN USAIR.

Watching some clown become unhinged and making wild accusations and inferences because I said I would work overtime.... really speaks to passion overtaking reason.

I appreciate your passion and drive AMFAinMIAMI but, maybe you can take that down to an 11 ummmkay?

 

[ALUS78]

Watching some clown become unhinged and making wild accusations and inferences because I said I would work overtime.... really speaks to passion overtaking reason.

I appreciate your passion and drive AMFAinMIAMI but, maybe you can take that down to an 11 ummmkay?

Maybe he's in the position that he doesnt have to work OT,most are not especially since its pretty scarce now. He can preach all he wants and I think hes sincere but no ones going to listen. Quite frankly why would you?

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

La'.
A lot of your reply's have (seriously) peaked my interests !!

PS,
Do you still 'own' title 3 recall rights in TUL ?

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Maybe he's in the position that he doesnt have to work OT,most are not especially since its pretty scarce now. He can preach all he wants and I think hes sincere but no ones going to listen. Quite frankly why would you?

I think he is sincere to.

The problem is he is letting his passion for his cause override his practicality and good judgement. He is hardly the first person guilty of that.

I wonder if it ever occurred to him that they may have a round 2. That turning down overtime may cause someone severe financial strain later because they did not take the opportunity to better their situation when they had a chance. I find his stance silly, short sighted, and a bit arrogant.

What f the worst happens and American Airlines liquidates. He will be in a worse position because he didn't work that overtime offered him. Perhaps his ideals will pay his bills.

He accused me of being likely to cross a picket line which I would NEVER do. If he knew anything about me he would know that my father took part in a strike at a Sapulpa glass factory and that he served as a UNION officer during his career. I would not dishonor my fathers legacy by crossing a picket line after what he went through. Crossing a picket line is a line I would not cross and I mean that in every since of the word. So honestly that accusation sort of pissed me off.

The layoffs are not a result of the company sticking it to the working man. They are in trouble and they need to shed costs or EVERYONE is going to be out of a job.

https://oklahoman.com/article/2027205/union-concerned-about-violence-in-liberty-glass-strike

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

La'.
A lot of your reply's have (seriously) peaked my interests !!

Oh yeah?

Why is that?

We disagree on most things so I doubt I said anything you found of any value.

"PS,
Do you still 'own' title 3 recall rights in TUL ?

It does not really matter, they don't have title 3 there anymore. There is nothing to recall to.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I noticed American Airlines put this on www.linkedin.com

Typical corporation pushing leftist propaganda to kiss liberal ass.

Remember when people's personal life was their personal life? Now we have parades and company funded diversity groups.

Maybe American Airlines should consider keeping their SJW BS out of the workplace and just let people focus on their jobs.

I don't come to work to watch my employee pander.

 

[JREwing]

How wld u feel if someone told u the same thing if u were to be furloughed? I myself was furloughed 1 time. Now w this i personally hope it wont come to it but i expect it will n i expect it to be severe. I for one expect someone like w 23 yrs to be furloughed although some senior folks tell me ill be fine. I tell everyone to expect worst n hope for best.

I fully expect to get furloughed. My point is, I get tired of unions claiming to care about their members. They only want the dues to keep flowing. And when a gung-ho Union member makes comments about refusing OT thinking that's gonna force management to bring back an employee is delusional. All that shows is that he could care less about his company but even worse, he doesn't care about his co-workers on the next shift.

 

[1AA]

Tell that clown AMFAinMIAMI

Don't put me in the middle of your tifs. Fight your own battles on your own.

 

[Kev3188]

Sorry to hear that! I should have the seniority to hang on. Will i chase the job? Probably not ill game tge system if i can take the layoff collect severance then look at options

Thanks! I have a decent amount of seniority, but I've chased the job enough in my time... I don't think I want to do that again right now.

I am happy to hear you have a degree. I am also happy to hear that you are considering pursuing another one.

I hope you don't get hit but I am happy you took steps to protect yourself.

Most people just freeze and wait for the axe to fall only to go into a panic when it actually happens.

That shows good judgement and planning on your part.

Thank you for the kind words.

I fully expect to get furloughed. My point is, I get tired of unions claiming to care about their members. They only want the dues to keep flowing. And when a gung-ho Union member makes comments about refusing OT thinking that's gonna force management to bring back an employee is delusional. All that shows is that he could care less about his company but even worse, he doesn't care about his co-workers on the next shift.

Respectfully disagree. I think it shows they care. It might not force management to bring people back, but working OT definitely helps keep people on the street. Or maybe that person simply values their time, and chooses to do something else with it.

 

[swamt]

1AA No matter when the order was placed my point was that AA projects out costs, so giving a package to the older guys, and NOT Laying off the Jr guys makes it better for AA.

I said the same about getting the older guys out over the younger to be laid off, and then i got a post asking, "how is that smart"? Go figure huh?

Of course he is. That is the whole point.

I should clarify he is not an A&P. He is not an anything. That would take effort which is not his forte.

My only point was people who say they "can't" find work are people who choose not to find it.


Not at all.

The lazy bastard is in his mid to late 40's and has literally never worked a day in his life.

Ok. We were on the same page then. As others have stated, there are jobs out there. The question is, are most man/woman enough to take a job now, even though it may be below their expertise, in order to support their families? Lord knows I would.

+1

There are definitely jobs to be had out there right now- it's just that many of them are jobs some people think are "beneath" them.

I'm not looking forward to 10/1, but I'm relatively confident I can find something to at least keep the lights on while looking for something long term.

Kev., I thought you have enough seniority to stay on board? Maybe some shuffling around a bit, but you talk as if you are expecting to get laid off. I hope you don't Kev.
Sending prayers your way for a positive outcome for ya. Stay strong, stay safe.

 

[swamt]

Your snarky comment aside I was not talking about AMFA. This thread is under the AMERICAN AIRLINES section, last time I checked no one at American Airlines is supported by AMFA.

AMFA may or may not have a history of advocating for a cut in pay and benefits to maintain headcount but the TWU certainly does. That is a fact.

Just for clarification. AMFA clearly, so far, does not advocate for pay cuts to save jobs. They proved this in the mid 2000's by striking instead of pay cuts and layoffs of over 53% of the members. They did again later on while at United and did NOT allow lower wages instead of layoffs and even strengthened the outsourcing language after taking it over from the IAM.
So no AMFA really never has supported that move like these industrial unions do in order to keep as many dues payers on the list as possible.
All I got to say is as far as your wife is concerned, if she was my wife I would ask her to NOT take a paycut over layoff at American, UNLESS, she or her union can get it in writing, with snap back clauses and away to get back to where they should be when certain parameters are met down the road. Otherwise AA will do what they always do and get the unions to agree with pay cuts, furlough and layoff anyway, and then if they do go into BK again they will get the union to agree to more concessions and more layoffs. They have done it for the last 3 times. Fixing to do it again as long as this asso (TWU/IAM) is still representing them.