AA and Labor Negotiations-2020

[AANOTOK]

So AA just put out an Early Out offer for Fleet and Mechanics with zero pay (except unused VC). Details on Jetnet if you have not seen it.

 

[BigTex]

So AA just put out an Early Out offer for Fleet and Mechanics with zero pay (except unused VC). Details on Jetnet if you have not seen it.

I can see the lines forming now

 

[iluvaa]

Ok so they don’t want anyone taking these options I see. So what’s next?

 

[UPNAWAY]

Essential for all Unionized work groups (sans Pilots and Rez Agents). The only benefit is Medical at company rates for 2 more years. Anyone hanging around just to reach medicare age might jump at that but nobody else.

It is actually encouraging IMHO that it is not very aggressive.

 

[NYer]

Could it be that every airline expert has stated this is worse the 9/11.
The big difference is nobody can say when life in America will return to somewhat normal.
In 2001 there was not a shutdown of every major events across the country like we have now.
So yes this is worse and it’s not likely it will get better till at least mid summer

In 2001, airlines were already in trouble yet they didn't file or restructure until two to four years later. We're a week into this.

 

[we're screwed]

So AA just put out an Early Out offer for Fleet and Mechanics with zero pay (except unused VC). Details on Jetnet if you have not seen it.

A hefty kick in the nuts. I can't get my middle finger up fast enough.

 

[ALUS78]

Essential for all Unionized work groups (sans Pilots and Rez Agents). The only benefit is Medical at company rates for 2 more years. Anyone hanging around just to reach medicare age might jump at that but nobody else.

It is actually encouraging IMHO that it is not very aggressive.

What about the part of managers

 

[ALUS78]

In 2001, airlines were already in trouble yet they didn't file or restructure until two to four years later. We're a week into this.

Yes once the public gets the "all clear" I think the airline will recover quickly unless of course there is a severe recession or worse

 

[Kev3188]

I find it amazing how so many people are experts on running a airline.

I find it amazing that someone with “Suck it” for a username expects to be taken seriously.

Interesting Kev.
Do you know if any of the leave Delta is offering is with part pay like the AA pilots nego with AA? By offering a partial pay leave time will get way more participants IMO. Maybe 2/3's pay for the 30-60-90 choices, and perhaps 1/2 pay for the lesser leave options? Or is Delta only offering no pay for any of the time off?
This will soon wrap throughout the industry and other airlines will come up with some kind of leave options, just like sharing with everyone in the industry to compare and maybe even what we might expect coming our way or others way.

All leaves are unpaid. They’ve been really clear about that, and have gone a long ways toward making sure people know it before taking the leap.

That said, they’ve also repeatedly stated that they won’t contest any unemployment claims, either...

 

[Buck]

I find it amazing how so many people are experts on running a airline. Yet your job titles are bag handlers and mechanics.
Also why is someone that don’t even work for either AA or US air. Have so much to say.

Is that all you have to say?
and your Grammer could you fix it...?

 

[2ndGENAMT]

So AA just put out an Early Out offer for Fleet and Mechanics with zero pay (except unused VC). Details on Jetnet if you have not seen it.

And you have to elect an option three days before our vote on JCBA!

 

[dfw gen]

And you have to elect an option three days before our vote on JCBA!

Is that so they save the signing bonus?

 

[mike757]

I'd like to see company offer some part-time positions just like the ramp... to keep folks on payroll and heads above water until crisis over..

 

[swamt]

So AA just put out an Early Out offer for Fleet and Mechanics with zero pay (except unused VC). Details on Jetnet if you have not seen it.

This is just wrong! WHY are they offering the Pilots 55 hours pay or 50 hours pay to stay home on their butts? Even still building sick and vac banks with it. Do the mechs and fleet also build sick and vac.?
I say no one take it unless it's the same offer as the pilots. UNless of course you just want to take the time off. This asso. should be up in arms with the co. about how they treat all the groups differently as they are all the same employees of American Airlines.

In 2001, airlines were already in trouble yet they didn't file or restructure until two to four years later. We're a week into this.

OverKill I say.

I find it amazing that someone with “Suck it” for a username expects to be taken seriously.
Exactly.


All leaves are unpaid. They’ve been really clear about that, and have gone a long ways toward making sure people know it before taking the leap.

That said, they’ve also repeatedly stated that they won’t contest any unemployment claims, either...

So, no pay for ANY of the employees? As long as it's the same for all employees and they know this up front. Not like AA's offer to stroke the Pilots with 2/3rds pay to stay home, or 5 hours less than 2/3rds pay but still building up sick and vac banks. I would take that in a heartbeat. Give me 2/3rds pay while still building sick and vac. I'd never come back, I would take the longest leave possible... 🙂

Kev., be aware of these companies saying they will not contest any unemployment benefits. Unemployment benefits are approved for anything out of the employees controls. And by them titling these leaves as "voluntarily leaves of absences" some states may not "approve" since the employee had a choice to stay at this time. Now some might forgo some restrictions due to the issues at hand, BUT, I would check into it heavily before signing on the dotted line taking ANY airlines words that they won't contest. Just by an employer making that statement, "we will not contest any unemployment benefits that the employees file for", In a nutshell this is code language by the co. to entice more to take the "Voluntarily Leaves of Absences" Yea, they won't contest it, but they know most all will not get any unemployment benefits approved if they voluntarily take the leave. Now if you wait and get layoff or furloughed, then that would be considered "out of the employees control" as it was not volunteered for by the employee.

Just words of caution people, know all the details before pulling the trigger. Don't just believe what ya hear. Good luck to all in this time of crisis. It would really suck if one thought they would receive benefits to get them by temp. and they ended up getting denied.

 

[NYer]

So AA just put out an Early Out offer for Fleet and Mechanics with zero pay (except unused VC). Details on Jetnet if you have not seen it.

The Early Out with pay is part of the JCBA.