2015 Fleet Service thread

[Zom JFK]

tell us Zom  why should we have to give anything up?   look no further than the profits made and projected to make?   Itd be better to stick it out long term than to cave in to a contract that has outsourcing  

We shouldn't. But that is what this sickening union does. When a TA is voted down these idiots always bring back something worse. And they will do the same this time.

 

[WeAAsles]

We shouldn't. But that is what this sickening union does. When a TA is voted down these idiots always bring back something worse. And they will do the same this time.

It has been estimated that we have anywhere from 25,000 to 50,000 thoughts a day. If your cast of mind is predominantly negative, imagine how many negative thoughts you are generating daily—thousands upon thousands. That is precisely the case with depression.
 
One of the features of depression is pessimistic thinking. The negative thinking is actually the depression speaking. It's what depression sounds like. Depression in fact manifests in negative thinking before it creates negative affect.
 
Most depressed people are not aware that the despair and hopelessness they feel are flowing from their negative thoughts. Thoughts are mistakenly seen as privileged, occupying a rarefied territory, immune to being affected by mood and feelings, and therefore representing some immutable truth.
 
Compounding the matter is that negative thinking slips into the brain under the radar of conscious awareness and becomes one of the strongest of habit patterns. People generate negative thoughts so automatically they are unaware that it is happening, that it is actually a choice they are making.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200107/depression-doing-the-thinking
 

 

[robbedagain]

cant speak for the TWU side  but I can tell you that if you compared US 2005 to the 2008 contract there were some improvements to the 08 deal   then we got a much better deal in 2014   so I would say no our lead negoiating team did not bring something worse back for us in the 2014 agreement   

 

[WeAAsles]

cant speak for the TWU side  but I can tell you that if you compared US 2005 to the 2008 contract there were some improvements to the 08 deal   then we got a much better deal in 2014   so I would say no our lead negoiating team did not bring something worse back for us in the 2014 agreement   

Robbed the way it works is pretty simple actually. It all depends how we vote? If we get a TA and it fails by only a very small percentage then both the Negotiators and the Company know that it only needs a small tweaking to pass the next time. That could be a slight monetary improvement or just changing something around in the pie? 

Now if it goes down in flames then we could be in it for the long haul. Both the Union and the Company understand the pulse of the members now. With those types of situations they almost have to go back to square one. And yes that's going to take awhile because either the company knows it has to pony up a lot more or they're going to wait the members out until they're too exhausted to argue any more and pass (yes) a worse deal.

 

[Zom JFK]

It has been estimated that we have anywhere from 25,000 to 50,000 thoughts a day. If your cast of mind is predominantly negative, imagine how many negative thoughts you are generating daily—thousands upon thousands. That is precisely the case with depression.
 
One of the features of depression is pessimistic thinking. The negative thinking is actually the depression speaking. It's what depression sounds like. Depression in fact manifests in negative thinking before it creates negative affect.
 
Most depressed people are not aware that the despair and hopelessness they feel are flowing from their negative thoughts. Thoughts are mistakenly seen as privileged, occupying a rarefied territory, immune to being affected by mood and feelings, and therefore representing some immutable truth.
 
Compounding the matter is that negative thinking slips into the brain under the radar of conscious awareness and becomes one of the strongest of habit patterns. People generate negative thoughts so automatically they are unaware that it is happening, that it is actually a choice they are making.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200107/depression-doing-the-thinking
 

Lol. Sure Weaasels I'm just a negative thinker. If I would just think positive I'm sure the twu will do its job and bring back a concession free contract. Keep dreaming. I am sure it will help. It sure has in the last thirty years. This post is even more laughable than your usual posts.

 

[WeAAsles]

Lol. Sure Weaasels I'm just a negative thinker. If I would just think positive I'm sure the twu will do its job and bring back a concession free contract. Keep dreaming i am sure it will help. It sure has in the last thirty years. This post is even more laughable than most of your posts.

Dude you REALLY need to wake up and notice that the world has changed for the major US airlines. 30 years ago was right after Deregulation. ALL the airlines hit snags anytime they caught even a little bit of tailwind.

You have NEVER seen a time like this in your entire career, EVER.

You're stuck in a whirlpool in your own mind. You can climb out now.

 

[Zom JFK]

Dude you REALLY need to wake up and notice that the world has changed for the major US airlines. 30 years ago was right after Deregulation. ALL the airlines hit snags anytime they caught even a little bit of tailwind.

You have NEVER seen a time like this in your entire career, EVER.

You're stuck in a whirlpool in your own mind. You can climb out now.

Come back and see me after this contract. Time will prove me right. It always has. It doesn't take a crystal ball to see which way the ridiculous twu (ass) will go. 

 

[Talos]

 
I think they only have so much time before the lack of joint contracts begins to drag on their integration schedule.  As more time goes on the more projects are going to be held up as certain things will be up in the air until ratified.  It might gets to a point where the inefficiencies become more costly than any cost savings they would realize from dragging out negotiations.
 
For example mechanics can only touch their own legacy metal.  This makes it more difficult and costly for the company to shift equipment between hubs, optimizations that would actually increase revenue and make AA more competitive.  Until the work groups are unified under joint contracts there's no reason to believe or expect AA can match or beat DL's operational performance metrics.
 
I think the company has some time, but they can't stall indefinitely.

I really thought the need to fully integrate the airline would get our deal done, and maybe even quickly. The restrictions on the operation are no doubt costly, and one would think they would want a deal done. The cost advantage they have with us being quite a ways below Delta must be something mgmt truly does relish. This mgmt loves their earnings so much it's hard for them to take any hit on costs. Parker acted like he was going to have an orgasm at the last earnings announcement. Then of course he collects 30 or so million in stock while people taking care of the customers are left out in the cold. I'm pretty sure you're right the costs will catch up to them, and then they will deal. Have to wait it out. Regards.

 

[WeAAsles]

Come back and see me after this contract. Time will prove me right. It always has. It doesn't take a crystal ball to see which way the ridiculous twu (ass) will go. 

You want a MASSIVE raise? Why don't you get the hell out of NYC? Smartest thing I ever did was getting out of there cost wise in 97. I don't even miss NY anymore. Any time I go back to visit my friends I remember why I left in the first place.

If you worked with AA for 30 years your kids have to be out of the house by now? Sell the damn thing and get started on an early somewhat retirement here in Florida. 

BTW I was always mad and pissed off too when I lived there.

 

[WeAAsles]

I really thought the need to fully integrate the airline would get our deal done, and maybe even quickly. The restrictions on the operation are no doubt costly, and one would think they would want a deal done. The cost advantage they have with us being quite a ways below Delta must be something mgmt truly does relish. This mgmt loves their earnings so much it's hard for them to take any hit on costs. Parker acted like he was going to have an orgasm at the last earnings announcement. Then of course he collects 30 or so million in stock while people taking care of the customers are left out in the cold. I'm pretty sure you're right the costs will catch up to them, and then they will deal. Have to wait it out. Regards.

Don't forget this.
 
“This shift in structure will be effective immediately and will remain in place as long as I am CEO. In short, the value of my total target compensation doesn’t change, but I will receive it entirely in at-risk stock awards,” he stated.
 
“What also does not change is that the target amount will remain approximately 20% below my peers at Delta and United until all of our team members have joint contracts that compensate as well or better than those airlines. We made very good progress on that front in 2014 with many of our team members, but we still have work to do on some contracts in 2015,” Parker wrote.

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2015/04/american-airlines-pays-ceo-doug-parker-12-3-million-in-2014.html/

That was agreed to by the Board of Directors and doesn't change until WE get a contract.

 

[Zom JFK]

You want a MASSIVE raise? Why don't you get the hell out of NYC? Smartest thing I ever did was getting out of there cost wise in 97. I don't even miss NY anymore. Any time I go back to visit my friends I remember why I left in the first place.

If you worked with AA for 30 years your kids have to be out of the house by now? Sell the damn thing and get started on an early somewhat retirement here in Florida. 

BTW I was always mad and pissed off too when I lived there.

Who's mad and pissed off? I'm just realistic. Florida? I wouldn't even VISIT Florida. There's a reason its so cheap to live there. I will agree with you though that the only way i am getting any kind of meaningful raise is to move. The twu (ass) is never getting it for me!

 

[Talos]

Don't forget this.
 
“This shift in structure will be effective immediately and will remain in place as long as I am CEO. In short, the value of my total target compensation doesn’t change, but I will receive it entirely in at-risk stock awards,” he stated.
 
“What also does not change is that the target amount will remain approximately 20% below my peers at Delta and United until all of our team members have joint contracts that compensate as well or better than those airlines. We made very good progress on that front in 2014 with many of our team members, but we still have work to do on some contracts in 2015,” Parker wrote.

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2015/04/american-airlines-pays-ceo-doug-parker-12-3-million-in-2014.html/

That was agreed to by the Board of Directors and doesn't change until WE get a contract.

I don't trust the guy, and to be honest think he's full of s%#t when talking about contracts and money. If he's below Delta and United then that's amazing. I think he's taken in like 30-35 million this year. I'd love to be proven wrong, but what I've seen is not good so far. 

 

[WeAAsles]

Who's mad and pissed off? I'm just realistic. Florida? I wouldn't even VISIT Florida. There's a reason its so cheap to live there. I will agree with you though that the only way i am getting any kind of meaningful raise is to move. The twu (ass) is never getting it for me!

If they do it won't matter anyway. You'll still keep this on the bottom of your page no matter how much dough flows your way I'm sure.

TWU-representing the corporate management of American Airlines


Just going to be that much harder for you to sell the thing you really want I bet.  But keep wearing that hat and T-Shirt bro. People love cool looking hat's and T- Shirts.  
 

 

[WeAAsles]

I don't trust the guy, and to be honest think he's full of s%#t when talking about contracts and money. If he's below Delta and United then that's amazing. I think he's taken in like 30-35 million this year. I'd love to be proven wrong, but what I've seen is not good so far. 

He's been selling the old shares because he has to. They expire if he didn't.
 
According to the SEC filing, Parker paid about $10.7 million to exercise options and acquire 505,375 shares on Thursday. The options were from the 2005 merger of US Airways and America West and were due to begin expiring later this month. That boosted his stake to more than 2 million shares, and he sold 702,375 shares for more than $24.1 million on the same day.
A company spokesman said that about half of Parker’s profit came from selling shares that he bought in 2008 as a show of confidence at a time when the airline industry was struggling with skyrocketing fuel costs.

http://skift.com/2014/02/15/american-airlines-ceo-doug-parker-nets-13-4-million-profit-in-stock-sales/
 
“Today the Company reported that CEO Doug Parker has exercised and sold 113,000 stock appreciation rights (SARs). Doug received these SARs (similar to stock options) in April 2006, August 2008 and April 2009 when he was CEO of US Airways. These SARs expire over the next 12 months, which means they expire worthless if they are not exercised and sold.
“To facilitate the exercise and sale of this equity before expiration, Doug entered into a 10b5-1 plan May 20, 2015 that lays out a specific date each month for the next year whereby Doug will exercise and sell these SARs. The award prices range from $3.10 to $38.44 per share, which is the price Doug will pay to exercise the SARs, which will then be sold in the open market. How much these SARs are ultimately worth will depend on the share price of AAL stock at the time the shares are sold.
“Doug has a large holding in AAL that has been publicly disclosed and remains extremely positive about the future of American.”

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2015/06/american-airlines-ceo-doug-parker-nets-4-1-million-in-stock-sale.html/

 

 

[Zom JFK]

If they do it won't matter anyway. You'll still keep this on the bottom of your page no matter how much dough flows your way I'm sure.

TWU-representing the corporate management of American Airlines
 
Just going to be that much harder for you to sell the thing you really want I bet.  But keep wearing that hat and T-Shirt bro. People love cool looking hat's and T- Shirts.  
 

Yeah all those zero sum and giveback contracts have really been sending the dough my way. The job has lost half it's value since I'm here but hey, you know what you're talking about. Keep defending that obscenity to unionism. The twu.