2015 Fleet Service thread

[ograc]

The company's main agenda in contract negotiations is to increase profitability and subsequently provide higher returns to the shareholders. This is their main objective. It doesn't matter to them whether they are making record profits or on the verge of bankruptcy. Recognizing previous concessions and making things right for those who sacrificed is not in their playbook. I would hope and suggest the Association's NC and the membership dig in and prepare for a long fight. I wouldn't plan on spending that Delta + 3%  raise anytime soon. The company will see to it any raise is paid for with other concessions in the JCBA. Usually job elimination, higher insurance contributions etc. The company has successfully executed this strategy in negotiations repeatedly. What's disheartening is we repeatedly play right into it and take the bait.

 

[WeAAsles]

What I heard from someone on the negotiating committee was at earliest we'd have something to vote on by Summer, but more likely Fall.

Chock. No one can accurately predict when we'll get a full TA to vote on? Everything depends on the moves people are willing to make on all the issues that are part of the bargaining. And there are just too many variables to make a prediction.

It's like picking a Football pool box.

 

[WeAAsles]

The company's main agenda in contract negotiations is to increase profitability and subsequently provide higher returns to the shareholders. This is their main objective. It doesn't matter to them whether they are making record profits or on the verge of bankruptcy. Recognizing previous concessions and making things right for those who sacrificed is not in their playbook. I would hope and suggest the Association's NC and the membership dig in and prepare for a long fight. I wouldn't plan on spending that Delta + 3%  raise anytime soon. The company will see to it any raise is paid for with other concessions in the JCBA. Usually job elimination, higher insurance contributions etc. The company has successfully executed this strategy in negotiations repeatedly. What's disheartening is we repeatedly play right into it and take the bait.

But you also never had all the different perspectives in the room negotiating that you do now. IAM guys and TWU guys.

And we should also convey to our negotiators that we won't accept concessions and we will support them no matter how long it takes. If I was in that room and my members kept hammering me to hurry up and all they care about is getting to that money, eventually I'm going to raise my hands and give in to that demand. For my own personal health why would I fight both the company and the members I'm trying to represent?

 

[ChockJockey]

Chock. No one can accurately predict when we'll get a full TA to vote on? Everything depends on the moves people are willing to make on all the issues that are part of the bargaining. And there are just too many variables to make a prediction.

It's like picking a Football pool box.

 
I was just relaying what the man said.

 

[WeAAsles]

I was just relaying what the man said.

Hey I love positive thinking personally. I picked May for my Football pool box. May not win the pool though?

 

[Talos]

The company's main agenda in contract negotiations is to increase profitability and subsequently provide higher returns to the shareholders. This is their main objective. It doesn't matter to them whether they are making record profits or on the verge of bankruptcy. Recognizing previous concessions and making things right for those who sacrificed is not in their playbook. I would hope and suggest the Association's NC and the membership dig in and prepare for a long fight. I wouldn't plan on spending that Delta + 3%  raise anytime soon. The company will see to it any raise is paid for with other concessions in the JCBA. Usually job elimination, higher insurance contributions etc. The company has successfully executed this strategy in negotiations repeatedly. What's disheartening is we repeatedly play right into it and take the bait.

I agree the company only cares about their bottom line with contracts. They also know they're going to have to fork up some money this go round so the negotiations will be no simple task. I only hope the unions get us a fair all around deal that puts us with Delta as far as all around compensation. These management teams have gotten used to dumping on employees and telling them times have changed. Concessions are not in order, but shifting priorities around and coming out equal to Delta works for me. We had a survey quite some time ago listing our priorities from 1-20 and the results we were shown later were questioned by all the people I spoke to about it in a negative way. You know the company will try to limit costs any way they ca. , But will the unions figure out the best deal for us? At this rate we have already paid for our better deal with what the company has saved after all this time. 

 

[ograc]

I agree the company only cares about their bottom line with contracts. They also know they're going to have to fork up some money this go round so the negotiations will be no simple task. I only hope the unions get us a fair all around deal that puts us with Delta as far as all around compensation. These management teams have gotten used to dumping on employees and telling them times have changed. Concessions are not in order, but shifting priorities around and coming out equal to Delta works for me. We had a survey quite some time ago listing our priorities from 1-20 and the results we were shown later were questioned by all the people I spoke to about it in a negative way. You know the company will try to limit costs any way they ca. , But will the unions figure out the best deal for us? At this rate we have already paid for our better deal with what the company has saved after all this time. 

 
They know indeed they will have to fork up some cash to get a JCBA. They are willing to do that. Money up front for other concessions in the contract. I respect your argument that, as time goes by, we are losing $$$ and the company is saving $$$. However, the flip side of the argument is, we will take however long it takes to get a fair and reasonable contract for the long term benefit of the entire membership. These negotiations will test everyone's opinion, belief and resolve.
 

 

[Talos]

 The negotiations will test everyone. Time is the companies friend, and works against the membership. The company knows it and will use it like anyone with this kind of advantage would. I'd like to see reasonable progression with the situation in good faith, but I think it will be a cold day in hell before the company gives up their advantage so easily.

 

[WeAAsles]

Briefing for 2-14-16
 
NEGOTIATIONS: Negotiations proceeded this past week with some progress. We were able to t/a a couple more smaller issues. After briefing some break rooms 2weeks ago, I heard some frustrations about the time lines that its going to take. Let me make it clear to all of you. We will get a new contract just as soon and quick as the company wants. Many of you are falling into the same trap that our brothers and sisters at UA did several months ago, and the company is counting on this happening. Many of you, I can tell from the talk and comments, are looking only at the money. Your not even going to notice anything else, because the money will blind you. Everyone needs to understand something that's very important. If you give something up in a contract, it is very difficult if not impossible to get that issue back in a later contract. Yes pay is important, but what about the following issues: Job security, insurance, overtime, sick time, vacation, holidays just to name a few. The company is making more than a BILLION dollars a quarter. We should not be looking to give up any of these issues, just to get higher pay. Like I said before, the company is counting on you doing this. The question is? Will you? Will you get to where the only thing you care about is the money. I would hope we can learn from past contracts, especially the one at UA, and understand that money isn't everything. Your negotiating team is going to stand firm on " NO CONCESSIONS " in this agreement. We can't do that without the memberships support. I ask all of you to focus on all the issues, and understand and demand that we don't give anything up. Only the membership will determine if this happens or not. The more the company hears the membership getting restless on the timelines, and talking about only money, then the more stubborn the company will get on all the other issues. Lets focus on the complete contract. Lets stay focused and determined. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT!!! For all of you to realize this. We will be meeting again in Dallas the week of February 29th. I will keep you posted.
 
PENSION: I'm sure by now all of you have heard about the pension issue. I was able to speak to the International President of the IAM this past week. This is the highest person in the IAM. I expressed to him what I thought many of you would want to say, and make sure he understood. I know that we went from schedule A down to schedule B just a few years ago. I know our monthly accrual going forward was cut by some 40%. And now we hear about the DOL filing charges, and it makes us all wonder. This is what all I expressed to him when we were talking. He assured me that the cut we took was completely unrelated to the DOL charges. He also said this was a charge from years before, and the DOL filed due to running out of time. Also all the funds had been put back into the pension fund. He also went into how healthy our pension is, and how its one of the best in the country. Let me say that I am not trying to sale the pension to anyone. I am not trying to change anyones mind out there. I am merely reporting back to you that I talked to the highest authority that we can possibly go to, and I wanted all of you know what he had to say. No one should make a decision on whether you like the pension and want to stay in it or not based on what you read on Facebook. Or based on being pissed off by what you hear. Like I said above. Once you get rid of something in a contract, it is pretty much gone for good. Your negotiating team is there to negotiate what the membership wants. Lets make sure we decide what we want from being as educated on a issue that we can be. Not on hearsay. I will be glad to answer any questions on the pension that I can. I also have some brochures and info on the pension that I will be getting to the committee this week. So hopefully it will help educate everyone that is interested, so we can all decide on how we feel about the pension.
 
OFFICE HOURS : We will be walking a few break rooms on Tuesday this week. This is the only day we will have to get around, so we probably won't be able to hit all break rooms. Sorry in advance if we miss you.
There should be someone in the grievance office Monday - Friday this coming week. So come on by, or give the committee a call at 704-359-3350.
EVERYONE HAVE A GOOD AND SAFE WEEK
MARK BASKETT

 

[bob@las-AA]

Briefing for 2-14-16
 
NEGOTIATIONS: Negotiations proceeded this past week with some progress. We were able to t/a a couple more smaller issues. After briefing some break rooms 2weeks ago, I heard some frustrations about the time lines that its going to take. Let me make it clear to all of you. We will get a new contract just as soon and quick as the company wants. Many of you are falling into the same trap that our brothers and sisters at UA did several months ago, and the company is counting on this happening. Many of you, I can tell from the talk and comments, are looking only at the money. Your not even going to notice anything else, because the money will blind you. Everyone needs to understand something that's very important. If you give something up in a contract, it is very difficult if not impossible to get that issue back in a later contract. Yes pay is important, but what about the following issues: Job security, insurance, overtime, sick time, vacation, holidays just to name a few. The company is making more than a BILLION dollars a quarter. We should not be looking to give up any of these issues, just to get higher pay. Like I said before, the company is counting on you doing this. The question is? Will you? Will you get to where the only thing you care about is the money. I would hope we can learn from past contracts, especially the one at UA, and understand that money isn't everything. Your negotiating team is going to stand firm on " NO CONCESSIONS " in this agreement. We can't do that without the memberships support. I ask all of you to focus on all the issues, and understand and demand that we don't give anything up. Only the membership will determine if this happens or not. The more the company hears the membership getting restless on the timelines, and talking about only money, then the more stubborn the company will get on all the other issues. Lets focus on the complete contract. Lets stay focused and determined. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT!!! For all of you to realize this. We will be meeting again in Dallas the week of February 29th. I will keep you posted.
 
PENSION: I'm sure by now all of you have heard about the pension issue. I was able to speak to the International President of the IAM this past week. This is the highest person in the IAM. I expressed to him what I thought many of you would want to say, and make sure he understood. I know that we went from schedule A down to schedule B just a few years ago. I know our monthly accrual going forward was cut by some 40%. And now we hear about the DOL filing charges, and it makes us all wonder. This is what all I expressed to him when we were talking. He assured me that the cut we took was completely unrelated to the DOL charges. He also said this was a charge from years before, and the DOL filed due to running out of time. Also all the funds had been put back into the pension fund. He also went into how healthy our pension is, and how its one of the best in the country. Let me say that I am not trying to sale the pension to anyone. I am not trying to change anyones mind out there. I am merely reporting back to you that I talked to the highest authority that we can possibly go to, and I wanted all of you know what he had to say. No one should make a decision on whether you like the pension and want to stay in it or not based on what you read on Facebook. Or based on being pissed off by what you hear. Like I said above. Once you get rid of something in a contract, it is pretty much gone for good. Your negotiating team is there to negotiate what the membership wants. Lets make sure we decide what we want from being as educated on a issue that we can be. Not on hearsay. I will be glad to answer any questions on the pension that I can. I also have some brochures and info on the pension that I will be getting to the committee this week. So hopefully it will help educate everyone that is interested, so we can all decide on how we feel about the pension.
 
OFFICE HOURS : We will be walking a few break rooms on Tuesday this week. This is the only day we will have to get around, so we probably won't be able to hit all break rooms. Sorry in advance if we miss you.
There should be someone in the grievance office Monday - Friday this coming week. So come on by, or give the committee a call at 704-359-3350.
EVERYONE HAVE A GOOD AND SAFE WEEK
MARK BASKETT

Why would you post this? It's from the IAM

 

[cltrat]

Why would you post this? It's from the IAM

are you really that clueless? never mind I think I know the answer to that

 

[700UW]

It's simply amazing how some people have no clue.

 

[WeAAsles]

Why would you post this? It's from the IAM

Really? Seriously? SMH.

 

[bob@las-AA]

are you really that clueless? never mind I think I know the answer to that

  

It's simply amazing how some people have no clue.

  

Really? Seriously? SMH.

Tutte le informazioni trasmesse da voi tre idioti non potrebbe mai essere invocato. Tutti e tre vi auguro siamo solo dissolvenza in non-esistenza.

 

[700UW]

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.