2015 Fleet Service thread

[robbedagain]

apparently  he is in the same class as townpete   lack of character speaks volume about who he truly is.    WeAA  thanks for that update   I agree that JOB SECURITY ought to be the number one priority   Its easy for the company stooges to say "we will give you 35 bucks an hr  but we want this, that, this, that, etc etc    Just look back to the 2005  and 08 agreements  just for starters

 

[AANOTOK]

One concession, no T/A...ignore the clueless like Bob.
By the way Bob, if you are in DFW and they do outsource cargo, good luck with getting anything decent.
There is a ton of seniority down in that building.

 

[WeAAsles]

apparently  he is in the same class as townpete   lack of character speaks volume about who he truly is.    WeAA  thanks for that update   I agree that JOB SECURITY ought to be the number one priority   Its easy for the company stooges to say "we will give you 35 bucks an hr  but we want this, that, this, that, etc etc    Just look back to the 2005  and 08 agreements  just for starters

Thank Mark, Robbed. It was his perspective. I just played Copy, Paste.

 

[WeAAsles]

One concession, no T/A...ignore the clueless like Bob.
By the way Bob, if you are in DFW and they do outsource cargo, good luck with getting anything decent.
There is a ton of seniority down in that building.

AA with Bob's time in the company if WE agreed to let the Company outsource Freight (And more) systemwide, he won't be working in DFW anymore. 

Say hello to my old friends back in LGA.

 

[robbedagain]

AANOTOK    I completely agree with you with regards any concessions  should have any TA rejected    If (and thats a big if) the oil stays lower than what it has been in the last several years, coupled with the fees on top of fees I do not see the company losing money    And with 6.3 BILLION for the 2015 year I really dont see any need to give a dam thing up  plain and simple      Job Security should be the number one priority followed by wages benefits etc    Also all of the gray areas has got to be cleared up     Another thing I think would be nice would be unlimited swaps   IT does not make sense you can do all the over time you want but your strictly limited to one back to back swaps a week  

 

[700UW]

    
Tutte le informazioni trasmesse da voi tre idioti non potrebbe mai essere invocato. Tutti e tre vi auguro siamo solo dissolvenza in non-esistenza.

All information transmitted by you three idiots could never be invoked . All three I wish we just fade into nonexistence .
 
 

The only idiot is you, you are ignorant and your post was totally stupid.
 
You should educate yourself on who is who, considering it the CBA you will be working under.
 
So you cant debate the issue so you have to attack the posters, when you made yourself to look foolish.

 

[Zom JFK]

As I stated W, one job outsourced, don't even bring back a T/A IMO.

Well if they do bring that back we should take it. Lets say they offer 20% raise and the outsourcing of freight. If we say no the next vote will be on a 6% raise and the outsourcing of freight. This joke union never brings back something better when we vote no. They always bring back worse deals until we say yes. Been that way since 1983.

 

[ChockJockey]

 The negotiations will test everyone. Time is the companies friend, and works against the membership. The company knows it and will use it like anyone with this kind of advantage would. I'd like to see reasonable progression with the situation in good faith, but I think it will be a cold day in hell before the company gives up their advantage so easily.

 
I think they only have so much time before the lack of joint contracts begins to drag on their integration schedule.  As more time goes on the more projects are going to be held up as certain things will be up in the air until ratified.  It might gets to a point where the inefficiencies become more costly than any cost savings they would realize from dragging out negotiations.
 
For example mechanics can only touch their own legacy metal.  This makes it more difficult and costly for the company to shift equipment between hubs, optimizations that would actually increase revenue and make AA more competitive.  Until the work groups are unified under joint contracts there's no reason to believe or expect AA can match or beat DL's operational performance metrics.
 
I think the company has some time, but they can't stall indefinitely.

 

[robbedagain]

tell us Zom  why should we have to give anything up?   look no further than the profits made and projected to make?   Itd be better to stick it out long term than to cave in to a contract that has outsourcing  

 

[bob@las-AA]

Non ti rispettare negli altri meno e molti in questo modulo , semplicemente perché tutti voi avete una mentalità socialista e come un cancro dovrebbe essere tagliato fuori

 

[robbedagain]

bob   forgive me for being an A hole in your opinion  but after the crap we all in the airlines endured during the 2000s and ch11 etc  with record profits being made and projected to be made  now is the time that as a whole  we the FSA group    the Mechanics and Related  Stores  etc  get back every flippin penny that we lost      Grandfather in all current mainline city we have now   maintain everything we have   enhance scope   higher wages     enhanced benefits  
 
Im glad you are not on the  negotiating team bec if you were  I can only imaging the horrible deal you would agree with the company      as orgac says....
 
 
LOCK n LOADED
 
Fire Away

 

[700UW]

Didn't stop them for going 10 years without the pilots having a JCBA.

 

[WeAAsles]

 
I think they only have so much time before the lack of joint contracts begins to drag on their integration schedule.  As more time goes on the more projects are going to be held up as certain things will be up in the air until ratified.  It might gets to a point where the inefficiencies become more costly than any cost savings they would realize from dragging out negotiations.
 
For example mechanics can only touch their own legacy metal.  This makes it more difficult and costly for the company to shift equipment between hubs, optimizations that would actually increase revenue and make AA more competitive.  Until the work groups are unified under joint contracts there's no reason to believe or expect AA can match or beat DL's operational performance metrics.
 
I think the company has some time, but they can't stall indefinitely.

  If we ever met could I give you a big hug? (No reach around)

I have been waiting for so long for someone to figure out these things and say it.

 

[WeAAsles]

bob   forgive me for being an A hole in your opinion  but after the crap we all in the airlines endured during the 2000s and ch11 etc  with record profits being made and projected to be made  now is the time that as a whole  we the FSA group    the Mechanics and Related  Stores  etc  get back every flippin penny that we lost      Grandfather in all current mainline city we have now   maintain everything we have   enhance scope   higher wages     enhanced benefits  
 
Im glad you are not on the  negotiating team bec if you were  I can only imaging the horrible deal you would agree with the company      as orgac says....
 
 
LOCK n LOADED
 
Fire Away

Bob has never lived under any concessions in his mind. We gave everything back before he started. Everything to him is an improvement.

Not sure if he's even reached top out yet?

 

[WeAAsles]

 
I think they only have so much time before the lack of joint contracts begins to drag on their integration schedule.  As more time goes on the more projects are going to be held up as certain things will be up in the air until ratified.  It might gets to a point where the inefficiencies become more costly than any cost savings they would realize from dragging out negotiations.
 
For example mechanics can only touch their own legacy metal.  This makes it more difficult and costly for the company to shift equipment between hubs, optimizations that would actually increase revenue and make AA more competitive.  Until the work groups are unified under joint contracts there's no reason to believe or expect AA can match or beat DL's operational performance metrics.
 
I think the company has some time, but they can't stall indefinitely.

I'm sorry I just liked this so much that I had to share it one more time.

Bravo.