2015 Fleet Service thread

[WeAAsles]

And they are not going to contract out Delta ramp with record profits coming in and the only way to really compete these days with each other is through good customer service. Too many documented issues with a ramp operation that's being handled out of house. And we here at AA have grown quite serious on baggage service.

Customers don't like flight delays or their bag not arriving when it should.

Delta is quite aware of this and has been offering its customers a premium experience.

AA is currently playing catch up but will get there as well.

 

[Kev3188]

I haven't been offered $30 yet but the competition dictates it, so I can't refute comments that "The money is there".  And I think it is reasonable to take our time in negotiations because of it.  But I'm a researcher and I tend to see things from the headwaters or source.  Where is the source?  Delta.  The question becomes, "Why?".   Why did Delta increase the rampers to $29?  Was it because of a backpeddling IAM campaign?  Certainly, no.   I think the source and spring of this money flow is a direct result of Parker's "Delta + 7% comments" in the town halls when dealing with the pilots and then blanketing all of us with it.  I'm convinced that Delta management just took advantage since Parker telegraphed his wage negotiations strategy.  So, Delta cashes the rampers out of half of their profit sharing only to load the compensation up in wages.  Does it cost Delta more? Nope.  Does it put American and United on the clock? Yep.  Not saying I'm right, but I don't trust Delta management and I think it is a competitive game and that once they get Parker, and Munoz to take care of all of their union groups [American fleet/MX, and United MX/stews] that Delta will contract out much of its ramp because they did it before. 
 
So, no, I don't think management changed its stripes, nor do I think it is overpaying.  I think it remains just as greedy as it has always been, but Delta forced Munoz and Parker to follow suit.  Once the contracts are signed, nobody will be writing a new book, just referencing an earlier chapter about how management screwed over employees again.  And those who I think will get screwed are Delta rampers. And that's the story I think.
 
regards,

It's the perfect end around: DL raises its base rates, AA/WN/UA all follow, and the DL pulls the rug out on their people. The Widget's non-fuel CASM drops, while everyone else has their wage rates locked in.

Obviously, I hope you're dead wrong, but it's certainly plausible...

 

[cltrat]

Don't forget the gift cards too

maybe the inter will share the "borrowed" pension money with him.
 
no wonder none of the AA guys want any part of that, hard to fault them

 

[Kev3188]

I've always treated you as an adult and had great respect for you. But I'm not a man who's personally fond of agendas and currently I feel like you have one.
And the question I asked you was extremely reasonable but it's your "choice" not to respond. And the readers will have to be left to guess why?
I've also never suspected you to be an individual who will shy away from a tough question or conversation? I guess I was wrong?

  

My "agenda" is the advancement in standing of Labor- inside our industry and out. Many of the things 141 does run counter to that.

Should people stop,organizing? Of course not. But the larger issue no one here wants to look at is why F9 and NK could wipe out their staff in between certification and a CBA? Fixing /those/ structural issues is going to take a lot of work, and frankly it's going to mean people like you and Tim working side by side.

As an aside, the IAM doesn't need to continue using the IAMPF as an organizing tool.  It kills organizing.  We didn't organize victories that I established by screaming IAMPF. I would avoid such talk because most people today have had defined pensions already flop on them once. It's just a really really stupid organizing technique and it blows up organizing campaigns. I'm not a proponent of the IAMPF but for the Love of God, leave it for negotiations only if you have to do something with it. It is a deal breaker on the organizing trail.
 
regards,

+1

Honestly, it never comes up as a discussion point, and I've never had a card signed with the IAMNPF as the reason. Far better to push for an increase in employer contributions and match, and roll any extra "ask" into improvements in other areas.


  

And they are not going to contract out Delta ramp with record profits coming in and the only way to really compete these days with each other is through good customer service. Too many documented issues with a ramp operation that's being handled out of house. And we here at AA have grown quite serious on baggage service.
Customers don't like flight delays or their bag not arriving when it should.
Delta is quite aware of this and has been offering its customers a premium experience.
AA is currently playing catch up but will get there as well.

If they can make it work in a place like RDU, they'll certainly try in a place like FNT...

 

[WeAAsles]

It's the perfect end around: DL raises its base rates, AA/WN/UA all follow, and the DL pulls the rug out on their people. The Widget's non-fuel CASM drops, while everyone else has their wage rates locked in.
Obviously, I hope you're dead wrong, but it's certainly plausible...

Highly plausible of course but I just don't see it. For the two reasons I mentioned and also because there is a massive political spotlight on income inequality going on right now.

Delta like to pride itself on the appearance of being a progressive excellent place to work. They certainly advertise itself that way. I don't think they'd want a spotlight shown on them that it's all fluff and words.

After we lock in you may (I hope) see a reversal in those RR ranks?

 

[Kev3188]

It's a Potemkin village...

 

[Tim Nelson]

And they are not going to contract out Delta ramp with record profits coming in and the only way to really compete these days with each other is through good customer service. Too many documented issues with a ramp operation that's being handled out of house. And we here at AA have grown quite serious on baggage service.
Customers don't like flight delays or their bag not arriving when it should.
Delta is quite aware of this and has been offering its customers a premium experience.
AA is currently playing catch up but will get there as well.

Using United as a model, I will disagree with you. Fencing in mainline into only 28 stations is disturbing. Our last update has our negotiation team trying to fetch 60. Look at your station, mia, then try to explain why united contracts it out.

The trends in the industry also suggest not so subtle moves by management to hammer Labor.

There is a reason why Alaska and United, both, started their own vending.

regards,

 

[WeAAsles]

My "agenda" is the advancement in standing of Labor- inside our industry and out. Many of the things 141 does run counter to that.
Should people stop,organizing? Of course not. But the larger issue no one here wants to look at is why F9 and NK could wipe out their staff in between certification and a CBA? Fixing /those/ structural issues is going to take a lot of work, and frankly it's going to mean people like you and Tim working side by side.

+1
Honestly, it never comes up as a discussion point, and I've never had a card signed with the IAMNPF as the reason. Far better to push for an increase in employer contributions and match, and roll any extra "ask" into improvements in other areas.
  

If they can make it work in a place like RDU, they'll certainly try in a place like FNT...

Kev thank you for the response. It is appreciated. But I still would like to know if you support Tim going on that NO WAY page and conducting himself the way he did and throwing his support behind attempting to spoil the organizing campaign?

Isn't it antithetical for a supposed supporter of the working man to not want to assist them get the most important thing they should ever have? "An employment contract"

 

[WeAAsles]

Using United as a model, I will disagree with you. Fencing in mainline into only 28 stations is disturbing. Our last update has our negotiation team trying to fetch 60. Look at your station, mia, then try to explain why united contracts it out.
The trends in the industry also suggest not so subtle moves by management to hammer Labor.
There is a reason why Alaska and United, both, started their own vending.
regards,

From the possibility and probability of 7 up to now 47 till at least 2024.

Stop lying because you were the one who made me aware of that 7 station fact before I read it myself.

 

[SkydrolJunkie]

So when do you guys actually work? :huh:

 

[700UW]

maybe the inter will share the "borrowed" pension money with him.
 
no wonder none of the AA guys want any part of that, hard to fault them

Red herring, it was nice visiting the new 1725 today, didn't see you there.

 

[Worldport]

 
I haven't been offered $30 yet but the competition dictates it, so I can't refute comments that "The money is there".  And I think it is reasonable to take our time in negotiations because of it.  But I'm a researcher and I tend to see things from the headwaters or source.  Where is the source?  Delta.  The question becomes, "Why?".   Why did Delta increase the rampers to $29?  Was it because of a backpeddling IAM campaign?  Certainly, no.   I think the source and spring of this money flow is a direct result of Parker's "Delta + 7% comments" in the town halls when dealing with the pilots and then blanketing all of us with it.  I'm convinced that Delta management just took advantage since Parker telegraphed his wage negotiations strategy.  So, Delta cashes the rampers out of half of their profit sharing only to load the compensation up in wages.  Does it cost Delta more? Nope.  Does it put American and United on the clock? Yep.  Not saying I'm right, but I don't trust Delta management and I think it is a competitive game and that once they get Parker, and Munoz to take care of all of their union groups [American fleet/MX, and United MX/stews] that Delta will contract out much of its ramp because they did it before. 
 
So, no, I don't think management changed its stripes, nor do I think it is overpaying.  I think it remains just as greedy as it has always been, but Delta forced Munoz and Parker to follow suit.  Once the contracts are signed, nobody will be writing a new book, just referencing an earlier chapter about how management screwed over employees again.  And those who I think will get screwed are Delta rampers. And that's the story I think.
 
regards,
 

I see it another way DL throws money to keep the IAM out. If in the future they start contracting out jobs the IAM will have good reason to organize. DL is doing fine no reason to stir the pot

 

[WeAAsles]

I see it another way DL throws money to keep the IAM out. If in the future they start contracting out jobs the IAM will have good reason to organize. DL is doing fine no reason to stir the pot

You get smarter every day it seems. You also have a nice firm grasp on common sense it seem as well.

 

[Worldport]

You get smarter every day it seems. You also have a nice firm grasp on common sense it seem as well.

38 years 4/24 by the way I was temporary from 3/31/78 to 4/24/78 that was the last I heard about temporary help.You know the 2 Coneheads are saying this idiot has been a baggage handler for 38 years what a loser

 

[ChockJockey]

I've always treated you as an adult and had great respect for you. But I'm not a man who's personally fond of agendas and currently I feel like you have one.

And the question I asked you was extremely reasonable but it's your "choice" not to respond. And the readers will have to be left to guess why?

I've also never suspected you to be an individual who will shy away from a tough question or conversation? I guess I was wrong?

 
Of everyone who contributes to this thread in the 6000+ post club I find Kev has far and away the most consistency and credibility and substance in personality and content.
 
The rest of you I've seen talk out of both sides of your mouths and other end enough to take all your points very lightly, that is when I can even be bothered to filter them out of what is otherwise a pointless social media circle-jerk.