2015 Fleet Service thread

[Worldport]

Brooke Sheilds was my obsession. We were the same age off by only 14 days. I was a fanatic after that Calvin Klein ad and Blue Lagoon. Even became a member of her fan club.

No joke.

I always liked someone older than me Lynda Carter,8th grade spanish teacher actually any female

 

[ograc]

 
um, actually when I campaign against a TA, I have a 100% success rate at shutting down the first contract.  This has happened consistently. I didn't campaign against this United contract and only unpacked elements of it. Even claimed that I understood why some would vote for it.  Same with our last LUS contract. I didn't campaign against it as it was in the margins of acceptable. Hopefully, I won't campaign against a TA for us as that would suggest that it was also within the realms of fairness.  When I campaign, I mobilize people and the media, regardless of airline and am relentless and voracious and successful. 
 
regards,
 

For the record I was never comfortable with the UA TA.  Additionally, opening an existing contract years before the amendable date, is new to me. Seems like both parties are trying to regroup and  save face from a deficient original contract. On behalf of former CO and UA members in my station, the original agreement has resulted in " transfer or lose your job". The damage has already been done in this station. Although, it is important to note, the original agreement was passed locally by a 70% to 30% margin locally. History repeats. What do you think Tim? After so many years, I continue to proclaim the importance of learning from history and the importance of solidarity among the collective group.. Additionally, this understanding, will dictate the future potential gains or losses, for this group. 
 

 

[WeAAsles]

I always liked someone older than me Lynda Carter,8th grade spanish teacher actually any female

WONDER WOMAN!!! Oh man you're talking my language now. Even today she's still pretty hot.

 

[Tim Nelson]

For the record I was never comfortable with the UA TA.  Additionally, opening an existing contract years before the amendable date, is new to me. Seems like both parties are trying to regroup and  save face from a deficient original contract. On behalf of former CO and UA members in my station, the original agreement has resulted in " transfer or lose your job". The damage has already been done in this station. Although, it is important to note, the original agreement was passed locally by a 70% to 30% margin locally. History repeats. What do you think Tim? After so many years, I continue to proclaim the importance of learning from history and the importance of solidarity among the collective group.. Additionally, this understanding, will dictate the future potential gains or losses, for this group. 
 

I read the latest IAM update of how the District wants to build unity prior to the 2020 United contract.  Not surprisingly, that is the aim of all of us. But it all starts with leadership.  From my perspective, unity talk is just talk to pacify the masses, as political agendas run clear in good ole boy clubs. The result has been a loss of jobs, loss of work, and a continual erosion among nonetheless record high wages. For instance, do they really want unity?  Then why is Robyn Eulo still in the cornfield and why can't she run for office?  I am very close to the Local President of my local, 1487, and he practically begged, by letter, to the INTL, to take the cuffs off of Robyn because our 1,200 PCE peeps in ORD are dialed out and we have had a record amount of dues objectors.  50 more just the last two months.  Unity doesn't start and end with words, but actions.  Would it risk Robyn running for office?  Sure, but don't preach unity while cuffing your opponent. And why not utilize her?  She has the passion, smarts, and convictions of a true unionist and instead of having her or others outside the tent pissing in,  better to have them inside the tent pissing out.  Delaney actually knew that better than most.  But I and others will agree with you that the importance of solidarity amng a collective group is foundational.  Without it, distrust exist.  And that brings me to the United contract.  Fencing in 28 stations out of 100+ just seems weak.  Especially with passenger service since the industry and presumed customer service credentials ought to call for 80+ stations of mainline employees like all other airlines enjoy.  If the negotiation team even hinted at only 28 stations here at American, they would be burned to the stake.
 
Compounding the problem is no full time protections unless someone has April, 1999 seniority.  That's a real s sandwich.  Usually and reasonably, all TA's including our last one, and the one just signed with our passenger service agents have full time protections against furloughs at DOS.  That wasn't the case at United since they agreed to a 90 day negotiation framework which could only possibly address one or two items.  So, the United contract is the exact sorta contract we would have expected with only 90 days of negotiations.  The fact that over 80% agreed to it doesn't mean anything.  75% agreed to United's last contract as well.  When a leadership comes back and bullies with a "Ratify or forever be doomed"  how would we expect the masses to vote?  Again, just like in TA2, this new contract at United will come back and haunt them.  There is a reason why United peeps don't work in most airports and are becoming an endangered species, but now I'm afraid the United employee will evolve into part time as well.  Part time levels have increased under TA2 but they will now increase UPS fashion over the next 12 months since United has already digested its first hurdle of having to provide full time jobs for transfers who were contracted out.  On to phase 2.  Watch.
 
regards,

 

 

[700UW]

Farrah Faucet too!

 

[700UW]

Misinformation again agents will be downgraded to CARS, Internal outsourcing.

Tell the WHOLE story.

 

[WeAAsles]

For the record I was never comfortable with the UA TA.  Additionally, opening an existing contract years before the amendable date, is new to me. Seems like both parties are trying to regroup and  save face from a deficient original contract. On behalf of former CO and UA members in my station, the original agreement has resulted in " transfer or lose your job". The damage has already been done in this station. Although, it is important to note, the original agreement was passed locally by a 70% to 30% margin locally. History repeats. What do you think Tim? After so many years, I continue to proclaim the importance of learning from history and the importance of solidarity among the collective group.. Additionally, this understanding, will dictate the future potential gains or losses, for this group.

And the new agreement was now passed by a whopping 85%. But some individuals (Who don't even work at UAL) find the vote of the HUGE majority to be something to dismiss I guess.

And I expect no losses in our upcoming contract. Modifications that we'll need to all accustom ourselves to yes. But I don't see or forecast losses.

 

[WeAAsles]

Misinformation again agents will be downgraded to CARS, Internal outsourcing.
Tell the WHOLE story.

Only those who "choose" not to move to any locations that the company requests of them when the ball begins rolling. But yes many will choose not to relocate because of their families and be bumped down to what is essentially a second tier classification. CARS

Customer Assistance Representatives.

Top pay on that is around $20.00 per hour. A little less I believe currently.

 

[WeAAsles]

Only those who "choose" not to move to any locations that the company requests of them when the ball begins rolling. But yes many will choose not to relocate because of their families and be bumped down to what is essentially a second tier classification. CARS
Customer Assistance Representatives.
Top pay on that is around $20.00 per hour. A little less I believe currently.

My bad. Just checked. $17.84 TOS.

Not horrible if you live in a low COL area. But certainly not $29.27 by a long shot.

The agents negotiating team folded like a house of cards at the last minute and some will feel pain. (My guess again because one side came in with no contract with language to work off of)

But that was the decision of the members to pass. And they did so at 72%

 

[WeAAsles]

Farrah Faucet too!

I was 15 and can't remember if I had to sneak in the theater or they just let me in. But this was one fun movie to go see.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_Lessons_(1981_film)

No public stories about how I ran through life after seeing this film. Shhhhh.

 

[700UW]

The infamous poster every young man had growing up in my day.
 

 

[Worldport]

I was 15 and can't remember if I had to sneak in the theater or they just let me in. But this was one fun movie to go see.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_Lessons_(1981_film)

No public stories about how I ran through life after seeing this film. Shhhhh.

Come on Weez  at 15 you Queens boys would ditch school and take the subway to Times Square. Me and 700 would ditch and got to Jones beach,Point lookout or Long beach and drink beer

 

[Tim Nelson]

Misinformation again agents will be downgraded to CARS, Internal outsourcing.

Tell the WHOLE story.

 
With CWA, they can't be downgraded without providing a full time job opportunity somewhere, provided they were full time at DOS. There certainly are things that I'm uncomfortable with in the CWA contract but I think grandfathering all stations, even those with less than 5 flights is much better than vending out the stations like at United.  And although giving management the ability to work 1 hour a day doing your work, clearly blows, it is much better than contracting out the whole stations, right?   Nonetheless, the no furlough of full time jobs, if you are willing to transfer, provided you were on the books at DOS is also much better than full time protections only for those who were hired prior to April, 1999, right?
 
The biggest problems with internal outsourcing in both contracts is the lack of a part time cap.  While, the CWA DOS protections helps limit the amount of members who can be downgraded immediately for any ole flimsy reason,  the United contract has no resistence to the immediate downgrades of any full timer without April, 1999 seniority.  So, the internal outsourcing may start to evolve into UPS style part timers.
 
At any rate, I'm not lying, nor is anyone else, if they make statements without unpacking the entire 160 page contract for you.  People make factual statements, and others can build upon them if they like.  But it's not lying to make factual statements about a contract without doing a seminar regarding the entire contract.
 
regards,
 

 

[700UW]

Come on Weez  at 15 you Queens boys would ditch school and take the subway to Times Square. Me and 700 would ditch and got to Jones beach,Point lookout or Long beach and drink beer

Yep, always to one of the beaches or sometimes to the city.

 

[WeAAsles]

Come on Weez  at 15 you Queens boys would ditch school and take the subway to Times Square. Me and 700 would ditch and got to Jones beach,Point lookout or Long beach and drink beer

Sometimes. A few times went to the Whitestone pool. Also had a lot of fun in the Village at 16 with those fake ID's that everyone knew were fake and didn't care. Hitting on women in their 20's and 30's

And sometimes even successfully. He he.