2015 Fleet Service thread

[conehead777]

Iam pressured trumka to get twu to play nice to get more members for the iampf. That's what it's all about.

 

[700UW]

Wrong again.
 
Provide proof.

 

[700UW]

You guys still lying to the stews? If you ever file, there is a plan where i will fully engage myself and root out all the iam lies through "various" outlets.

Btw, why would a jetblue person sign an iam card? Did you tell them how the twu destroyed the careers of 800 frontier workers after they organized them and provoked management to contract out all jobs? Diid you tell jetblue cuz that the iam organized spirit and promptly agreed with spirit management to contract out all spirit stations other than fll?

Kindly tell us what would happen to the jetblue ramp if the iam organizes them but management decides to just contract them all out? The jetblue peeps wanna know.

regards,

Once again you dont tell the whole story.
 
AMFA vs ACA in which Atlantic Coast Airlines' mechanics voted AMFA in, the company made changes to their pay, benefits, etc and AMFA sued ACA for violating the status quo.
 
Well AMFA lost and the courts ruled that the status quo portion of the RLA doesnt apply to newly organized employees who dont have  CBA.
 
So mr I dont tell the whole story, explain how the TWU destroyed the F9 rampers, when the law doesnt agree with you?

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

So mr I dont tell the whole story,

Better than the outright lies you tell.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Dad smoked Camels me its Marlboro and Bud,

50 percent of the people that read this thought he was talking about pot before they finished the sentence.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Oh and it's $100 a carton up here more in Queens (NYC)

Yes, that's life under Democrats. 
 
Not a cop to be found when a violent crime is taking place but, park your car in the wrong spot and watch what happens.

 

[WeAAsles]

he buys what pollyannas buy. The iam stiffs show him attention and he will dime out his own twu with the iampf because lehive, and other anti union sellouts give him time.
regards,

You're a jive turkey man.

LeHives a cool cat don't get me wrong. But I'd rather get me one them cute little new Stews personally. Them young chicks are super fly. Just gotta make sure I'm foldin that laundry stiff or the chick may tell me to keep on steppen.

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[Tim Nelson]

Once again you dont tell the whole story.
 
AMFA vs ACA in which Atlantic Coast Airlines' mechanics voted AMFA in, the company made changes to their pay, benefits, etc and AMFA sued ACA for violating the status quo.
 
Well AMFA lost and the courts ruled that the status quo portion of the RLA doesnt apply to newly organized employees who dont have  CBA.
 
So mr I dont tell the whole story, explain how the TWU destroyed the F9 rampers, when the law doesnt agree with you?

The action of organizing brought on a complete elimination of that craft. I would think that a union would be more responsible and have a plan to deal with that very high risk of complete genocide. At Spirit, the company did the same thing except it signed a deal with the iam to at least give those poor souls increased severance pay.

At any rate, the question remains, what is the iam exit plan at jetblue if it organizes the ramp but management eliminates the entire craft?

That would be my #1 question if i were a jetblue ramper. Why would i put my job on the line when 2 similar airlines took advantage of court rulings and instead of dealing with a union, they just contracted everyone out?

regards,

 

[Kev3188]

It's a good question to ask.

A even better one is, why do our nation's labor laws allow it?

Better still would be, what can we do to change that?

 

[WeAAsles]

Once again you dont tell the whole story.
 
AMFA vs ACA in which Atlantic Coast Airlines' mechanics voted AMFA in, the company made changes to their pay, benefits, etc and AMFA sued ACA for violating the status quo.
 
Well AMFA lost and the courts ruled that the status quo portion of the RLA doesnt apply to newly organized employees who dont have  CBA.
 
So mr I dont tell the whole story, explain how the TWU destroyed the F9 rampers, when the law doesnt agree with you?

Frontier decided it did not want to deal with the Union and maybe make improvements to it's employee's wages and benefits. So it spun off it's baggage operation to Swissport and told it's employees that it would get first priority for interviews. What Tim fails to mention is this.

"The typical Frontier Airlines Ramp Agent salary is $11. Ramp Agent salaries at Frontier Airlines can range from $9-$12. This estimate is based upon 13 Frontier Airlines Ramp Agent salary reports provided by employees. See all Ramp Agent salaries to learn how this stacks up in the market."

https://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Frontier-Airlines-Ramp-Agent-Hourly-Pay-E5144_D_KO18,28.htm
 
Frontier's outsourcing will target about 1,160 jobs in Denver and another 140 in Milwaukee. Frontier plans to hire a unit of Swissport International take over its ground operations at the Denver airport, by far the carrier's biggest hub. The airline also plans to outsource the jobs of 140 Milwaukee-based reservations workers to a privately held company based in Nashville, The Associated Press reports. Frontier counted about 3,800 total employees -- including pilots, mechanics, cabin crew and others -- prior to Friday's announcement.
Frontier spokesman Todd Lehmacher said affected employees would be given priority for interviews if they wished to seek jobs with the contractors. In a statement quoted by ABC 7 of Denver, Lehmacher says it was a "difficult but necessary decision to transition the management of these departments to business partners who specializes in these areas."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/todayinthesky/2015/01/16/frontier-airlines-to-outsource-a-third-of-its-workforce/21903721/

And the final piece of the story.
 
Frontier, whose planes’ tails sport images of animals like bears and foxes, operates a fleet of Airbus Group SE jets on more than 275 daily flights within the U.S. and to Mexico and Jamaica. Indigo acquired the Denver-based airline from Republic Airways Holdings Inc. for $36 million in cash. The total transaction value was $145 million including debt.
Frontier has changed hands twice since filing for bankruptcy protection in April 2008. Republic bought the carrier in October 2009 for $108.8 million, agreeing not to pursue a $150 million unsecured bankruptcy claim. After the Indigo buyout, Frontier’s new owner transformed it into a so-called ultra-low-cost carrier -- an airline that offers inexpensive base fares and adds fees for everything else.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-03-05/frontier-airlines-said-to-hire-barclays-deutsche-bank-for-ipo

So yep. I guess Tim is right. The workers for Frontier asked to be represented by the TWU, cards were signed and they voted for Union representation. Because of that Frontier management decided to outsource all of them thus ending all of those spectacular careers those people had making a whopping $11.00 per hour. Way to go TWU. You ruined those poor people. 

 

 

[Kev3188]

I would be curious to know what rampers at F9 topped out at. Surveys from 13 people isn't enough data to get the full picture; especially if they happened to be junior (F9 had done a lot of expanding in recent years, including at MKE)...

Still begs the question of why status quo doesn't apply prior to a CBA being signed and what can be done about it...

 

[WeAAsles]

The action of organizing brought on a complete elimination of that craft. I would think that a union would be more responsible and have a plan to deal with that very high risk of complete genocide. At Spirit, the company did the same thing except it signed a deal with the iam to at least give those poor souls increased severance pay.
At any rate, the question remains, what is the iam exit plan at jetblue if it organizes the ramp but management eliminates the entire craft?
That would be my #1 question if i were a jetblue ramper. Why would i put my job on the line when 2 similar airlines took advantage of court rulings and instead of dealing with a union, they just contracted everyone out?
regards,

At Frontier the job you say that people put on the line was a job that was only paying them an average of $11.00 per hour. I'm not sure what the job market is like in Denver but I would have to think that it wouldn't be extremely difficult to find another job that pays a whopping $11.00 per hour?

They probably went over to Swissport and were given the same rate of pay.

 

[WeAAsles]

I would be curious to know what rampers at F9 topped out at. Surveys from 13 people isn't enough data to get the full picture; especially if they happened to be junior (F9 had done a lot of expanding in recent years, including at MKE)...
Still begs the question of why status quo doesn't apply prior to a CBA being signed and what can be done about it...

Kev they billed themselves as an Ultra Low Cost Carrier. C'mon do you really think they were getting anywhere near a decent top out? Of course not. I'll hasten a guess that if anyone was actually stupid enough to have been with them since they first started operations if they were lucky $14.00 per hour? Eulen here at MIA pays a max of $14.00 per hour and that's it. No more raises up for them.

 

[WeAAsles]

It's a good question to ask.
A even better one is, why do our nation's labor laws allow it?
Better still would be, what can we do to change that?

Let's reverse that question and put yourself in their shoes. If you became organized do you think that Delta would do the same thing to you that was done to those Frontier workers?

If yes why?

If no why?

Now consider the size of the Delta operation and consider the size of Jetblue's operation. Would any political heat come out of doing to either one of you what was done to Fronteir's?

 

[Kev3188]

Kev they billed themselves as an Ultra Low Cost Carrier. C'mon do you really think they were getting anywhere near a decent top out? Of course not. I'll hasten a guess that if anyone was actually stupid enough to have been with them since they first started operations if they were lucky $14.00 per hour? Eulen here at MIA pays a max of $14.00 per hour and that's it. No more raises up for them.

They weren't always a ULCC. I'd still like to know what top out was... Do you know?