2015 Fleet Service thread

[Worldport]

I got a friend in NY who's a freakin Garbageman and he makes over 100k a year. Picking up garbage and plowing those streets in the winter.

Hell when you were young back in NYC you were always picking up The Cheif newspaper to see what tests were coming out to try and land one of those good unskilled gigs.

Right he gets a great retirement and probably doesn't pay for medical. That is why $30 is fair wage for us especially with the 9 year pay scale. Your friend must work for the city the private carters don't make as much the Goodfellas have to take their cut

 

[WeAAsles]

Right he gets a great retirement and probably doesn't pay for medical. That is why $30 is fair wage for us especially with the 9 year pay scale. Your friend must work for the city the private carters don't make as much the Goodfellas have to take their cut

Yep. NYCDOS, IBT represented (Goodfellas still get their cut) And a 5 year top out.

http://observer.com/2015/05/bill-de-blasio-reaches-contract-agreement-with-sanitation-workers/

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

One thing people are failing to realize, he wasnt a true FSC.
 
He worked in a shop at TULE, he didnt load bags, handle mail and freight, deice, dump lavs and water, work out in the elements, yet he claims to speak for all of FSC and yet he is gone and has been for several year.

I mostly worked at TULE. I worked at TUL part time during layoffs when I got bumped.
 
Of the things you have listed I have loaded bags, handled mail, freight, dumped lavs and water (TULE did the lavs for TUL by the way), and worked out in the elements (heat and cold).
 
I have also wing walked, pushed back, parked, worked in the bag room, hooked up ground power, and hooked up ground AC.
 
I have NOT done a power back, deice, or hooked up an air start.
 
Now that you have attacked me it's my turn.
 
Have you ever worked Fleet because as I recall you were in stores?
 
How long have you been out of the airline business?
 
It is funny how you talk about UNIONism and standing together, then make the statement I am not a "REAL" FSC. Hypocrite much?

 

[700UW]

I have worked the ramp, ticket counter, gates, baggage service, air cargo, operations, line utility, line stores, GSE stores, offsite stores and the distribution center.

 

[Kev3188]

 I have NOT done a power back, deice, or hooked up an air start.

You haven't missed out on much there...
 

 

[chilokie1]

I think the cuts came after he left so he would have not taken those cuts. How I read it you can work and still draw? Just can't work in the same field.

 
I was just trying to put in perspective the failures of the IAMPF.  Put the same numbers to a guy who was recently laid off 
from TASLE & his options would be dramatically less with the IAMPF then his frozen AA pension. 

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I still think he made the right choice at least psychologically. After 22 years he really just couldn't take AA anymore. He had grown to hate the job and was always angry when talking about all the things that he felt were unfair. His mind had grown too toxic.

I won't deny I probably have that issue as well (toxicity built up over a career). Most of my issues were a result of higher seniority people having a sense of "entitlement" to be lazy and nonproductive.
 
I actually had one of our support staff tell me he would bring me needed supplies after he finished watching a TV show.  I waited over an hour.
 
That is just one example of the issues I had to endure during my years at AA. I could go on and on and on and on and on.
 
I used to believe that was the result of working for a UNION. My view is slowly starting to change. Now I am open to the idea that we had weak management. Though anytime management went after repeat offenders (for not even showing up to the dock during a whole 8 hour shift for instance......) a UNION officer would come in and the "offender" would walk away smiling only to do it again another day.
 
Weak management or the UNION enabling lazy unprofessional behavior? I honestly can't decide at this point. Maybe it is a culture thing.
 

My point to you was there are some unskilled and semi-skilled jobs that pay very well.

I know there are. That is true. My cousin is a welder by trade and pulls 6 figures working in the oil industry 6 months out of the year. I worked with a guy that installs drop ceilings and he made a killing (though he was self employed).
 

Fleet service is not rocket science but it does require some responsibility and the weather conditions can be brutal  and on and on.

I know. I touched on these points on an earlier post. Not to mention working terrible hours, holidays, and wear and tear on your body. It is more likely to see an old school clerk with a job related surgery than one without.
 

but i guess you are right having a back up plan would be prudent

That is all I am saying. I like to call it an "exit plan" though.
 
I am not trying to offend anyone by my comments. I just want you to be aware and possibly prepared if job loss should occur. As I said I never gave it a thought until I saw the writing on the wall they were shutting down TULE. I just want you to make that consideration NOW while you are in a good place, not later when you are in panic mode.
 
I am actually trying to help you, not insult you.

 

[WeAAsles]

I was just trying to put in perspective the failures of the IAMPF.  Put the same numbers to a guy who was recently laid off 
from TASLE & his options would be dramatically less with the IAMPF then his frozen AA pension.

You know there's a "rumor" going around that IAM UAL fleet may go up to $32.00 per hour DOS???? "Rumor" If we were to go 3% above that, you're talking about a 37% raise from where we are right now.

If "hypothetically" "possibly" something were to happen to my 5.5% match and it was replaced with something that many of us are not quite sure is a good deal, what do I care?

37% - 5.5% (What I would need to put in myself to make up for the loss) leaves me still with a 31.5% raise.

So doomsday scenario and one day that replacement blows up. I guess all I'll be losing is some play money that I never intended to use for anything else anyway?

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I have worked the ramp, ticket counter, gates, baggage service, air cargo, operations, line utility, line stores, GSE stores, offsite stores and the distribution center.

How long ago?
 
and your still a hypocrite. 

 

[WeAAsles]

I was just trying to put in perspective the failures of the IAMPF.  Put the same numbers to a guy who was recently laid off 
from TASLE & his options would be dramatically less with the IAMPF then his frozen AA pension.

Oh and if I ever got the IAMPF and wanted to continue in my chosen career field that they want to restrict me from doing to collect. Why the F would I tell them anything?

For someone like you, you go work on private jets at some municipal airport. Is your new boss going to call the IAMPF trustees? I highly doubt it.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

You haven't missed out on much there...

Meaning?

 

[Kev3188]

Meaning none of those three are very much fun to do...

 

[chilokie1]

UGH !!! Never mind I will go talk to my wall, at least it does not see things through a tunnel.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Meaning none of those three are very much fun to do...

I will take your word for it.
 
I know every time they needed people to deice at TUL they ran a volunteer list at TULE. They got them.

 

[WeAAsles]

UGH !!! Never mind I will go talk to my wall, at least it does not see things through a tunnel.

Chil I didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday. I know what you're trying to do. You want me to go along in selling that the IAMPF is a POS. I get it. I said tons of times already that I support choice.

But what I'm also saying is that if its forced on me with a gun to the head with the raises that I just talked about maybe happening, I'll give the mugger the loose change out of my pocket.

He still ain't getting my wallet.