2015 Fleet Service thread

[bob@las-AA]

I again will say, do not bring back anything concessionary, including giving back Cargo and Catering. If this is done, I will consider the Association a complete failure. I'm with robbed, NO NEGOTIATED CONCESSIONS!!

I think you better gird your loins, because it's coming!

 

[700UW]

I think you better gird your loins, because it's coming!

Says the eight year guy, talking to people who have over 20 years.
 
Charlie Brown is on the NC, I would believe he knows way more than you do, as you are a pro-management I got mine guy.
 
The concession stand is closed, AA made billions, no way anyone should take one cent of a concession.

 

[WeAAsles]

Rat
We have either 9 or 10 articles T/a,d. Not just those you listed. But no big issues yet. Probably the biggest we are working on so far is grievance procedure and representation. Which is a big issue. But to those that are never in trouble, then you could probably care less about it. I understand that people get restless, but we have maybe 40 + articles to go through and get done whether people like them or not. The majority can probably name maybe 10 articles if that, that they really care about. But, we have to deal with them all in negotiations. The team is ready to work on any article the company is ready to tackle. Unfortunately most of the ones that people care most about will come toward the end. That's just how the company has always handled negotiations.

CB why couldn't you guys let everyone know that Union Bulletin Boards only took 20 minutes to be done and maybe about a total of 45 minutes for the Company to agree?

Everyone kept flaming up about freakin Bulletin Boards as if you took two entire negotiating sessions to get that done.

 

[WeAAsles]

Says the eight year guy, talking to people who have over 20 years.
 
Charlie Brown is on the NC, I would believe he knows way more than you do, as you are a pro-management I got mine guy.
 
The concession stand is closed, AA made billions, no way anyone should take one cent of a concession.

8 years? I thought he only had 5? Well either way he probably hasn't even topped out yet.

 

[cltrat]

Rat
We have either 9 or 10 articles T/a,d. Not just those you listed. But no big issues yet. Probably the biggest we are working on so far is grievance procedure and representation. Which is a big issue. But to those that are never in trouble, then you could probably care less about it. I understand that people get restless, but we have maybe 40 + articles to go through and get done whether people like them or not. The majority can probably name maybe 10 articles if that, that they really care about. But, we have to deal with them all in negotiations. The team is ready to work on any article the company is ready to tackle. Unfortunately most of the ones that people care most about will come toward the end. That's just how the company has always handled negotiations.

thks I'm just going off what I read on the update that's all I can do

 

[AANOTOK]

I was told AA was adamant about outsourcing and the negotiating committee made it perfectly clear that they were just as adamant about no outsourcing.
A few weeks from now could become "Titanic"   B)

 

[charlie Brown]

8 years? I thought he only had 5? Well either way he probably hasn't even topped out yet.

WeAAsles there are certain people that are going to get fanned up no matter what. These are usually the same ones that wants an agreement now no matter what, but then will be the first to ***** about the agreement. Putting out briefings in the beginning of negotiations is a lose lose issue. You make people angry if you don't. But then when you do put them out, unless it's about pay, scope, vacation, insurance or one of the biggies, then they still get pissed about what we are doing. Like I said before, all of it has to be negotiated. Company has never as far as I know, ever started on the big issues. Everything is a cost to them. They add it all up over the time of talk and cost it out. I have briefed several break rooms on negotiations and didn't know bulletin boards had pissed people off. But even if it pisses people off. Fact is, it still has to get done.

 

[WeAAsles]

WeAAsles there are certain people that are going to get fanned up no matter what. These are usually the same ones that wants an agreement now no matter what, but then will be the first to #### about the agreement. Putting out briefings in the beginning of negotiations is a lose lose issue. You make people angry if you don't. But then when you do put them out, unless it's about pay, scope, vacation, insurance or one of the biggies, then they still get pissed about what we are doing. Like I said before, all of it has to be negotiated. Company has never as far as I know, ever started on the big issues. Everything is a cost to them. They add it all up over the time of talk and cost it out. I have briefed several break rooms on negotiations and didn't know bulletin boards had pissed people off. But even if it pisses people off. Fact is, it still has to get done.

They were only pissed off because absolutely they just want to hear when you get to those big ticket items and think the entire World revolves around that.

As an example let's take parking for instance. In our contract the company has to provide that for us. Here in MIA there is a cost of around $400.00 per year for that if we didn't have an agreement for the company to pay. Now let's take uniforms, safety equipment, badge renewal costs and others if you guys rushed and didn't work on language for that.

All the little items can add up to a fairly large yearly cost coming out of those wages.

 

[charlie Brown]

I was told AA was adamant about outsourcing and the negotiating committee made it perfectly clear that they were just as adamant about no outsourcing.
A few weeks from now could become "Titanic"   B)

We don't believe we shld be giving up any work. This company is making a fortune. Not going to hurt them to give us a contract that's gonna cost them some money for a change.

 

[AANOTOK]

Thanks for replying Charlie, a breath of fresh air. Greatly appreciated!!

 

[charlie Brown]

Sure

 

[cltrat]

they can stick that out sourcing in their ear and I agree AANOTOK each hub should have catering and freight

 

[Kev3188]

True. Yet in represented outline stations, when they switch to larger regionals, such as the CRJ900, there is no increase in authorized staffing. HMMM...

 

Funny how that works...

Maybe it's just me, but I still say a CRJ-900 is harder to work than an A319...

 

[ograc]

WeAAsles there are certain people that are going to get fanned up no matter what. These are usually the same ones that wants an agreement now no matter what, but then will be the first to #### about the agreement. Putting out briefings in the beginning of negotiations is a lose lose issue. You make people angry if you don't. But then when you do put them out, unless it's about pay, scope, vacation, insurance or one of the biggies, then they still get pissed about what we are doing. Like I said before, all of it has to be negotiated. Company has never as far as I know, ever started on the big issues. Everything is a cost to them. They add it all up over the time of talk and cost it out. I have briefed several break rooms on negotiations and didn't know bulletin boards had pissed people off. But even if it pisses people off. Fact is, it still has to get done.

I might add that the reason they cost it all out is to know how much they have to recover in other Articles to make what they give cost neutral. A posture taken during bankruptcy. The same posture appears to be being displayed in JCBA negotiations. The current economic conditions and forecast for the new AA has changed dramatically. Yet their posture at the table seems to be the same. Everything must be cost neutral. This posture, given the current and  projected profitability of the new AA, should be deemed disrespectful and unacceptable to any work group, that agreed to deep concessions in the past, to keep both LUS and AA solvent. The heightened anxiety level to hurry up and get me my hourly increase mentality plays right into this cost neutral strategy. A repeat of recent history. I am hopeful this mentality is shared by a vast minority. I am hopeful we as a represented group, have learned from recent mistakes and regrets at another represented carrier, and choose to go Article by Article, Section by Section, Paragraph by Paragraph and Line by Line. I am hopeful we (the NC and the membership) cost every Article out. Only then... can you make an honest assessment of the overall value of the proposed JCBA. We should be thinking long term and big picture as a NC and membership. Just sayin! Good to hear from ya CB! 

 

[AANOTOK]

Agree ograc,
 
I was on the ASAP bandwagon for a quick resolution to our contract as I hated seeing money fly by me.
I will say though and will always believe that the Association could have been more prepared when the time came, and I also feel it was wrong the members had no say. It is what it is...Having said that, now knowing that Parker lied and is wanting something in return for the raise is a complete and total non starter, regardless of how long it takes. I don't mind some workrule  changes, but I am totally against any outsourcing. That is a concession. As I stated, I hope the Association has the balls to hold out, regardless of the pressure from the vocal members, until these snakes decide concessions will not go over well and pull back. I consider it disrespectful and unacceptable for the company even entertaining the thought, but think it even more disrespectful and unacceptable if the Association even considers bringing back any type of concession at all.
Obviously, for me, the Jury is still out on the Association, but they can go a long way in solidifying my trust by truly showing the company they are an organization that can and will represent the members both now and in the future. Right now they have my full support, but the stakes are very high!