2015 Fleet Service thread

[WeAAsles]

The study is optimistic that, while enormous challenges come with the rapid growth in urbanised areas, great opportunities also exist. In particular, migration can bring with it an increase in productivity and improve global competitiveness. The key to achieving this, it says, is innovative approaches to migrant inclusion. As the report explains: “A recent study found a strong correlation between effective provision of services and urban development in all of the major emerging economies (EPF and CIRD, 2013). In pursuing more inclusive urban governance, cities today link local urban social cohesion to economic growth and global competitiveness (Metropolis, 2011). The participation and inclusion of migrants in their host cities is an indispensable part of building stable, open and vibrant communities that assure the socioeconomic future of a country.”

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2015/10/what-are-the-worlds-migration-mega-cities/?FB=1

 

[Kev3188]

I like that this CBA holds the line on existing points. The PT language is sh*t, but DL's work rules and the hideous CBA at UAL didn't do these guys any favors. If nothing else, the increase(s) in PT ratios will for the most part come from attrition...

 

[WeAAsles]

His last update was October 2014 but if any readers want to learn some interesting things about our industry, Swelbars' blogs and links are still here.
 
William S. Swelbar is a Research Engineer in the Massachusetts Institute of Technology’s International Center for Air Transportation, where he is affiliated with the Global Airline Industry Program and Airline Industry Research Consortium.
Prior to accepting his research position at MIT, Swelbar spent 25 years in the consulting world with a focus on airline labor cost restructuring, regulatory issues governing air transport, communication strategy and support, and air service development on behalf of airports and communities. In his consulting roles, Swelbar has represented airlines, airports, investors, manufacturers, and labor groups. He also currently serves as a member of the Board of Directors of Hawaiian (Airlines) Holdings, Inc..
Swelbar is also a much sought-after speaker and has provided expert witness testimony before various tribunals and before the United States Congress regarding the economics of commercial air transport. Swelbar is widely quoted in the financial and mainstream press on issues impacting air transport. In addition, Swelbar is published in the Journal of Air Transport Management and is a contributing author in an upcoming textbook entitled: The Airline Industry published by Wiley Press.
 
Swelbar holds a Bachelor of Science degree in economics with honors from Eastern Michigan University and an MBA with a concentration in finance from The George Washington University.

http://swelblog.squarespace.com/swelbar/

He also used to be a part of this site but it's not updated any longer either unfortunately.

http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/default.html

 

 

[WeAAsles]

I like that this CBA holds the line on existing points. The PT language is sh*t, but DL's work rules and the hideous CBA at UAL didn't do these guys any favors. If nothing else, the increase(s) in PT ratios will for the most part come from attrition...

You know Kev. When it first came out I read it over and tried to put myself in their shoes. It does have items that make it a hard pill to swallow and again why it barely squeaked passed. I have to admit begrudgingly that I would have also given it a green light.

But it really would have been an "ARGH" decision.

 

[ograc]

So true........ SCOPE is the most important thing, since the company will throw more money at you so you can give it up.
At least you guys have some PT caps.  We (at UA) got hit so hard with that, in my particular hub, they had to restore people back to FT, plus hire off the street. They knew that they cut to deep where it affected the operation, but just didn't care. 
 
I hope that our negotiators have heard our voices, and do not budge on that critical issue. We've made that mistake once. The last IAM update told us that they and the company agreed on some limited issue items. Pretty soon, they will go into the meat and potatoes aspects of the negotiations - SCOPE.
 
We will see what happens.  At least your turnout was large. We need electronic balloting with our next contract instead of in-person walkup. That is why TA 1 got overwhelmingly shot down, so the Union (and the company) wanted the walkup ballot which IMHO reduced the numbers to pass the contract we have. 

 
 It would appear that is what happened. If true... it is sad that the company and the union collaborated together to get the TA passed. I agree SCOPE is the most important issue. It should be in any contract. You must preserve and defend the represented work. But let us not lose sight of other Articles they will attack to make the money up front cost neutral. PT caps, higher medical costs passed on to the employee / member, holidays, sick time and vacation to name a few. This is a very critical and pivotal JCBA. It establishes, not only the terms and conditions the group will work under for the duration of the agreement, but the foundation from which future contracts will be negotiated from.  
 

 

[ograc]

This in my opinion, will be the main issue with negotiations. Yes, the company does read these sites regularly. They also listen to break rooms. I was briefing break rooms a couple weeks ago, and the one thing that amazed me was that the only question or comments people were making was about the money they are losing or not getting. Not on anything else. The company will count on that attitude as we move forward. And what was most surprising was that these comments came from mostly more senior people that has already been through the wars and should know that it's about more than just the money. But you are correct ograc, it's a selfless front that we are portraying for sure. It is a concern!

 CB. As stated in an earlier post. This JCBA represents, not only the terms and conditions the group will work under for the duration of the contract, but the foundation of which future contracts will be negotiated from. With that being said... it should come as no surprise the most senior employees (those with less than five years before retirement) care only about the money up front. Another group looking only after themselves. Anyone with years to still invest had better take a long look at the details and see to it there are not long term consequences to taking the bait of money up front. You know it, I know it and the majority of those who post on this forum understand it. The question is how do you get this point across to those who have many years ahead of them. Their opinion and sheer numbers will decide the fate of any future TA in my opinion. That is... if they choose to engage enough to make an educated decision about their future livelihood. Good hearing from you Brother. I am confident you are doing your best. Carry on! 

 

 

[jimntx]

That is... if they choose to engage enough to make an educated decision about their future livelihood. Good hearing from you Brother. I am confident you are doing your best. Carry on! 
 

Unfortunately, the unions have the same problem as the United States as a whole in our elections.  To be informed and make an educated decision about the issues would first require logging off of Facebook and putting down (and turning off) the cell phone, and read the actual TA when it is produced.  That is not going to happen.  Everyone will turn to the page which has the pay rate chart, see how much they are going to make when the TA is approved, and will vote accordingly.

 

[robbedagain]

I know most of us who went thru the turmoil in the mid 2000s  and even in the 90s should remember     but all of the younger folks need to be shown what has happened  and what could happen    They ought to see what happen to the 45 plus/minus cities in the 2008 contract when then the HP folks voted for that deal    This is the type scenario I ram into all of our young folks and for the most part they seem to understand    Its one thing to understand  and its another to live thru it.    
 
someone showed me a thing on facebook today in which DP stated...
 
DP statement..     Its just not the right way to pay 100,000 employees that dont have that much impact on the daily profits"
 
American Airlines Chairman and CEO Doug Parker
 
this was in regards to profit sharing
 
 
Really Doug  youre a true drunken a..hole    Its the employees that make the airline what it is today and makes it fly safe daily    you Doug has not worked in the elements of the outside 

 

[ograc]

I know most of us who went thru the turmoil in the mid 2000s  and even in the 90s should remember     but all of the younger folks need to be shown what has happened  and what could happen    They ought to see what happen to the 45 plus/minus cities in the 2008 contract when then the HP folks voted for that deal    This is the type scenario I ram into all of our young folks and for the most part they seem to understand    Its one thing to understand  and its another to live thru it.    
 
someone showed me a thing on facebook today in which DP stated...
 
DP statement..     Its just not the right way to pay 100,000 employees that dont have that much impact on the daily profits"
 
American Airlines Chairman and CEO Doug Parker
 
this was in regards to profit sharing
 
 
Really Doug  youre a true drunken a..hole    Its the employees that make the airline what it is today and makes it fly safe daily    you Doug has not worked in the elements of the outside 

 
Let's not make any mistake about it. What is said in town hall meetings contradicts the company's posture behind closed doors in contract negotiations. Represented labor is seen as a liability and detriment to company profits. Their actions at the negotiating table speak louder than their hollow words and promises. Many need to wake up and realize this. They don't love us and have no plans on making things right concerning past sacrifices and continued dedication. Are we clear folks?  
 

 

[robbedagain]

I agree orgac. It's damv sad considering those f..k..g clowns never worked out in elements. Nowonder there almost no respect btwn mgmt n workers

 

[ograc]

I agree orgac. It's damv sad considering those f..k..g clowns never worked out in elements. Nowonder there almost no respect btwn mgmt n workers

I guess we shouldn't take it personal. Just the reality of the relationship between Organized Labor and Corporate America throughout history. This is what many, within our group, must come to realize and accept. We will get only what we, as a collective group, are willing to stand up and fight for. This could and should take a great deal of patience from all of us. No one should be expecting the company to recognize past sacrifice and give back freely. If this was the company's position we would be well on our way to a fair and equitable agreement. Instead, we discuss uniforms and the company's future negotiations scheduling conflicts. The company is like a turtle out of the gate. It is what it is! It's time to fall in and be ready for a long fight Sisters and Brothers!
L&L!  

 

 

[robbedagain]

totally completely agree with with ya bro!
 
LOCK  N  LOADED!

 

[WeAAsles]

Couldn't help myself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tn_cax2qLDI

 

[ograc]

totally completely agree with with ya bro!
 
LOCK  N  LOADED!

 
I've tried to refrain from using this term since some find it too brash. It has been my belief all along that if we, as a collective group, could unite on a common front, much could be achieved and gained. Without this solidarity; we miss an opportunity to improve future working conditions for all. The NC would certainly benefit and welcome such solidarity. Membership solidarity sends a message to both the company and the NC that an  inferior JCBA TA is unacceptable and will be rejected. From a memberships' standpoint; this is the only influence and leverage the membership has on both parties at the table. My advice... Fall in and L&L! For once, let us learn, from prior mistakes. Adapt! Improvise! Overcome! It could be a long fight Brothers and Sisters. 

 

[robbedagain]

orgac   if there's a contract with concessions and it passes  then it becomes all too obvious that prior mistakes will just continue   and for it to continue especially in light of low oil prices  huge profits both current and projected  this airline will continue to take full advantage    its time all those to stand together and get all we can now    grandfather in all current mainline cities  enhance scope   etc