2015 Fleet Service thread

[WeAAsles]

I'm sure you'll be there to make sure they reach top pay; no matter what they do

Nope. But I do talk to them. Weird when a kid with 2 years says what "we" deserve.

I do look at them and say....... "We"?

 

[Worldport]

Nope. But I do talk to them. Weird when a kid with 2 years says what "we" deserve.

I do look at them and say....... "We"?

Even weirder that he can call in sick and be late  more in those 2 years then say someone with 25 years and get away with it

 

[WeAAsles]

Even weirder that he can call in sick and be late  more in those 2 years then say someone with 25 years and get away with it

Because you and I make more money and it's a feather in the "budget" cap to get rid of us. Actually went in one time with a guy who had 15 occurances and he's still here now.

Actually one of my best friends now but man he was a F up. Scared him to death and lied to him and he didn't have another occurrence for almost 3 years.

Unethical to lie? Yea so what. Sue me.

 

[ograc]

Because you and I make more money and it's a feather in the "budget" cap to get rid of us. Actually went in one time with a guy who had 15 occurances and he's still here now.

Actually one of my best friends now but man he was a F up. Scared him to death and lied to him and he didn't have another occurrence for almost 3 years.

Unethical to lie? Yea so what. Sue me.

 

The starting wage scale is the company's  incentive to eliminate any senior pay positions. The starting wage scale represents what the company thinks they can pay to get our jobs done. Additionally, at this scale the company hires the respective employees to replace seasoned veterans. Entry wage scale dictates the company's expectations of the level of work ethic of a newly hired employee. Based on entry scale they don't expect much. You get what you pay for. Current entry level wage for Fleet is insulting. I've witnessed, first hand in attendance hearings, newly hired employees with more attendance points in their probationary period than I've seen in three years. Yet they clear probation. WeAAsles meet your replacement. The company's posture, with such entry level wages, is they can train a monkey to do your job. The company is always thinking long term in negotiations. Unfortunately, that has not been the case on our side of the table. Historically, our thinking as a collective group, has always been short term and money up front as a membership. We continue to be our own worst enemy with such shallow, self centered and short term thinking.  

 

[WeAAsles]

The starting wage scale is the company's  incentive to eliminate any senior pay positions. The starting wage scale represents what the company thinks they can pay to get our jobs done. Additionally, at this scale the company hires the respective employees to replace seasoned veterans. Entry wage scale dictates the company's expectations of the level of work ethic of a newly hired employee. Based on entry scale they don't expect much. You get what you pay for. Current entry level wage for Fleet is insulting. I've witnessed, first hand in attendance hearings, newly hired employees with more attendance points in their probationary period than I've seen in three years. Yet they clear probation. WeAAsles meet your replacement. The company's posture, with such entry level wages, is they can train a monkey to do your job. The company is always thinking long term in negotiations. Unfortunately, that has not been the case on our side of the table. Historically, our thinking as a collective group, has always been short term and money up front as a membership. We continue to be our own worst enemy with such shallow, self centered and short term thinking.

Good point/ counterpoint Cargo. And why I miss you here. But I'm really not too concerned with being replaced internally. As long as I follow that company rule book that should never step on the toes of my CBA I know I'll be ok. As a matter of fact I'm just about 100% positive we'll eventually be going with that point system they have over where you are and when that's implemented we're all going to stand on equal footing. At least I'll know where my points stand even if they bend the rules for a lower wage kid. Document and file that grievance or complaint with HR for unfair treatment if need be.

I support a National airport minimum of $15 but think it's a little crazy to expect the company to top these kids out in 6 years like I'm sure they'd love. To get what you "deserve" has to come from somewhere. And I am more concerned about taking care of you frankly then a kid who hasn't even walked in the door yet. You EARNED your stripes. They'll EARN there's.

 

[ograc]

It honestly is the last thing on my mind. It took me awhile to get to where I am and that 16 year old waiting to graduate High School has to do his time just like us.

Sorry Cargo.

 
It's all good WeAAsles. if it's the last thing on your mind I am inclined to believe it is certainly not on the minds of the less informed or engaged members. The point is there are many issues that need resolved with this JCBA talks. Both TWU and IAM members from the respective airlines have sacrificed much to get us where we are today. Every Article needs to be scrutinized for improvements for the long term. We, as a membership, must respect that an issue that may not seem important to some, is important to others. I am mindful that the economic environment can change during negotiations. I also understand the influence this can have on leverage at the table. However, I believe it is wise to proceed and methodically scrutinize every Article of this sought after JCBA. We will get one shot at this. We will live with the consequences for years to come. I want to see due diligence. However long that may take. There is much to be considered. There is much to be re- gained. It will require patience and solidarity.   
 

 

[WeAAsles]

It's all good WeAAsles. if it's the last thing on your mind I am inclined to believe it is certainly not on the minds of the less informed or engaged members. The point is there are many issues that need resolved with this JCBA talks. Both TWU and IAM members from the respective airlines have sacrificed much to get us where we are today. Every Article needs to be scrutinized for improvements for the long term. We, as a membership, must respect that an issue that may not seem important to some, is important to others. I am mindful that the economic environment can change during negotiations. I also understand the influence this can have on leverage at the table. However, I believe it is wise to proceed and methodically scrutinize every Article of this sought after JCBA. We will get one shot at this. We will live with the consequences for years to come. I want to see due diligence. However long that may take. There is much to be considered. There is much to be re- gained. It will require patience and solidarity.

Absolutely. And we also need to pay attention to those economic conditions and the market that are quite loopy right now. But here. I think you'll like this one.

http://www.barrons.com/articles/BL-SWB-42118

 

[WeAAsles]

Besides Cargo I want to have you come on here one day and say you're out of here. Retiring to greener pastures.

I miss our friend Roabilly. But I hope he's basking in some great sunshine.

 

[Tim Nelson]

IAM Update: I told you guys about the rottenness of the IAMPF. Several key people tipped off the DOL about the plan and suspicious activity of certain IAM Union bosses. What we didn't know was how the investigation was going. I'm happy to report that the DOL agreed with the whistleblowers and other key peeps and filed charges against the IAMPF. These Union Bosses are rotten to the core, taking payoffs, etc. Also, special key people filed forms with the Office of Inspector General against our District using $13,500 of OUR money to move a spouse. What we don't know is how that criminal investigation is proceeding as with all criminal investigations, the Feds don't share info. What we do know is that the asshat INTL IAM was soft and decided to put the S/T of our district on extended vacation STILL on union leave and NOT having to go back to the ramp. I hope the OIG resolves this and confirms that this whistleblower complaint is valid. We won't know until the criminal investigation is concluded. This is what I do. Something is very very bad with this union and we have to find out what is going on. I dn't fear these mother F'ing thieves. Eff them, I have no problem standing outside their tent pissing in it. Sorry for them because my piss smells like piss after eating asparagus.

http://www.star-telegram.com/news/business/aviation/sky-talk-blog/article57793753.html

Unlike 700, I wanted justice against these pimps taking gratuities and personal trips on our dime.
regards,

 

[WeAAsles]

IAM Update: I told you guys about the rottenness of the IAMPF. Several key people tipped off the DOL about the plan and suspicious activity of certain IAM Union bosses. What we didn't know was how the investigation was going. I'm happy to report that the DOL agreed with the whistleblowers and other key peeps and filed charges against the IAMPF. These Union Bosses are rotten to the core, taking payoffs, etc. Also, special key people filed forms with the Office of Inspector General against our District using $13,500 of OUR money to move a spouse. What we don't know is how that criminal investigation is proceeding as with all criminal investigations, the Feds don't share info. What we do know is that the asshat INTL IAM was soft and decided to put the S/T of our district on extended vacation STILL on union leave and NOT having to go back to the ramp. I hope the OIG resolves this and confirms that this whistleblower complaint is valid. We won't know until the criminal investigation is concluded. This is what I do. Something is very very bad with this union and we have to find out what is going on. I dn't fear these mother F'ing thieves. Eff them, I have no problem standing outside their tent pissing in it. Sorry for them because my piss smells like piss after eating asparagus.http://www.star-telegram.com/news/business/aviation/sky-talk-blog/article57793753.htmlUnlike 700, I wanted justice against these pimps taking gratuities and personal trips on our dime.regards,

Not good.

http://www.dol.gov/newsroom/releases/20160201-1

 

[700UW]

IAM Update: I told you guys about the rottenness of the IAMPF. Several key people tipped off the DOL about the plan and suspicious activity of certain IAM Union bosses. What we didn't know was how the investigation was going. I'm happy to report that the DOL agreed with the whistleblowers and other key peeps and filed charges against the IAMPF. These Union Bosses are rotten to the core, taking payoffs, etc. Also, special key people filed forms with the Office of Inspector General against our District using $13,500 of OUR money to move a spouse. What we don't know is how that criminal investigation is proceeding as with all criminal investigations, the Feds don't share info. What we do know is that the asshat INTL IAM was soft and decided to put the S/T of our district on extended vacation STILL on union leave and NOT having to go back to the ramp. I hope the OIG resolves this and confirms that this whistleblower complaint is valid. We won't know until the criminal investigation is concluded. This is what I do. Something is very very bad with this union and we have to find out what is going on. I dn't fear these mother F'ing thieves. Eff them, I have no problem standing outside their tent pissing in it. Sorry for them because my piss smells like piss after eating asparagus.

http://www.star-telegram.com/news/business/aviation/sky-talk-blog/article57793753.html

Unlike 700, I wanted justice against these pimps taking gratuities and personal trips on our dime.
regards,

Excuse me?
 
I have never ever supported any illegal activity.
 
What is your problem?
 
I have been on several trial committees for members violations of bylaws and/or the constitution.
 
Get over yourself, and you have plenty of skeletons in your closet, many know all about what you did in IAH.
 
And I fully support the prosecution or any civil action for anyone who is found to have done anything wrong.
 
Just read the court filing, doesnt look good for certain people, well if they used the members money illegally then they deserve what they get and should be prosecuted to its fullest.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Excuse me?
 
I have never ever supported any illegal activity.
 
What is your problem?
 
I have been on several trial committees for members violations of bylaws and/or the constitution.
 
Get over yourself, and you have plenty of skeletons in your closet, many know all about what you did in IAH.
 
And I fully support the prosecution or any civil action for anyone who is found to have done anything wrong.
 
Just read the court filing, doesnt look good for certain people, well if they used the members money illegally then they deserve what they get and should be prosecuted to its fullest.

Ease up bro. I wanted to wake you up. The present IAM INTL President is one of them busted. Martinez.

regards,

 

[Talos]

Pretty foul stuff. Hurts the reputation of the union also. Whoever these people are I would think they are looking at serious consequences depending on how much money was misdirected. 

 

[Tim Nelson]

To the LUS brothers and sisters,
To Entire Membership: If you are a participant in the IAMPF, I need your help. It appears that the Plan trustees have not had our best interest in mind. In fact, they are defendents in a federal case where they are accused of blowing our money.

That said, I believe the members of that plan have been damaged. I am not an attorney so I don't really know. However, I contacted Eric Nelson, a excellent attorney who has helped airline people before, successfully against the IAM and won millions for airline members. During my conversation with Eric, he seemed really interested in the case, however, he does cost money. I'm not fronting my own money for this as the dollar amount is $495 an hour. Therefore, I need to know how many solid union brothers and sisters are willing to sacrifice maybe $100 a piece? The more money we can get, the more hours and maybe we can have more than a half baked class action suit. PM me, don't put anything on this site. PM me so I know if this is something you all are willing to support, i.e., go after damages from our IAMPF.

regards,

Tim

 

[Worldport]

To the LUS brothers and sisters,
To Entire Membership: If you are a participant in the IAMPF, I need your help. It appears that the Plan trustees have not had our best interest in mind. In fact, they are defendents in a federal case where they are accused of blowing our money.

That said, I believe the members of that plan have been damaged. I am not an attorney so I don't really know. However, I contacted Eric Nelson, a excellent attorney who has helped airline people before, successfully against the IAM and won millions for airline members. During my conversation with Eric, he seemed really interested in the case, however, he does cost money. I'm not fronting my own money for this as the dollar amount is $495 an hour. Therefore, I need to know how many solid union brothers and sisters are willing to sacrifice maybe $100 a piece? The more money we can get, the more hours and maybe we can have more than a half baked class action suit. PM me, don't put anything on this site. PM me so I know if this is something you all are willing to support, i.e., go after damages from our IAMPF.

regards,

Tim

Is the IAMPF damaged? Or just the reputation. Things like this have been going on for years. Wasn't Hoffa doing something shady with the teamster pension fund?