2015 Fleet Service thread

[cltrat]

Right now at AA it is not contractual and we are allowed to CSO (take off) 50% of your hours in a six month period.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but it's my understanding that at US, it was contractual and you could take off 25 days in a quarter.
I have heard that the company was looking to implement the US policy.

I believe the gate agents in their new deal got 30 a quarter we had a me too clause on that and are getting it as well

 

[AANOTOK]

No No there are new state laws, In this case New Jersey. If you work a swap and  anything above 40hrs the company has to pay you 1 1/2. Now the AA is saying you can't swap

I have never heard of that.

 

[AANOTOK]

I believe the gate agents in their new deal got 30 a quarter we had a me too clause on that and are getting it as well

So it is contractual. And I assume AA will want the same from the Association.

 

[Worldport]

I have never heard of that.

News to me too probably TX and FL not  included. He's a reliable source. Don't see anything in Jetnet. Do local laws supersede our contract?

 

[700UW]

Depends, if you work under the RLA, then normally no, that is why state Right to Work (For Less) laws dont apply to Airline workers.

There was a case in CA, that effected how pay was done weekly but that was a while back.

 

[Tim Nelson]

No No there are new state laws, In this case New Jersey. If you work a swap and  anything above 40hrs the company has to pay you 1 1/2. Now the AA is saying you can't swap

Then AA can say that since the TWU failed to get contractual terms on shift swaps.

sorry

regards,

 

[Tim Nelson]

So it is contractual. And I assume AA will want the same from the Association.

we can get rid of 26 days, or maybe 30 now. You don't have to pay the days back, and you can piggyback the days at the end of the quarter with 30 new swaps at the beginning of the next quarter for 60 days off plus vacation. Damn near take 90 working days off in a row, or 110 days. The problem is that we have peeps that do that, but you have to make sure you continue to pay your part of the medical because my understanding is after 2 or 3 checks with zero monies, the system doesn't take out anything, including medical, union dues, etc. So, you just have to stay current with self pay.

regards,

 

[Jester]

Right now at AA it is not contractual and we are allowed to CSO (take off) 50% of your hours in a six month period.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but it's my understanding that at US, it was contractual and you could take off 25 days in a quarter.
I have heard that the company was looking to implement the US policy.

 
US policy is 26 "drops" per quarter, which averages out to 2 per week. However, there are unlimited numbers of trades per pay period.  If someone had a doubling partner during the week to work 5 shifts in 3 days, those persons would never need to use a drop.  The last contract allowed us to drop a shift to a 3rd party, so if I traded for a shift, I could drop it to another person, but it counts towards my 26 quarterly total.
 
There are other ways to stretch drops by accepting a shift in two parts by trading two shifts to another party assuming it is in the same pay period, thus no drops were used, but one shift would be eliminated.  So for example, if I wanted to eliminate both my 2000-0000 shifts on Tuesday and Wednesdays, I could trade with another for their Monday 1300-1700 shift in two parts with a 1300-1500 for my Tuesday and 1500-1700 for my Wednesday. The net result is that I eliminated 2 shifts, added 1 shift, and had 0 drops used (again assuming it is the same pay period).

 

[Worldport]

Depends, if you work under the RLA, then normally no, that is why state Right to Work (For Less) laws dont apply to Airline workers.
There was a case in CA, that effected how pay was done weekly but that was a while back.

I'm being told that in some states there is a new law if you work over 40 hours you will be getting 11/2  doesn't matter if it's a swap or regular OT. now AA is saying no to some swaps. The law varies from state to state with conditions

 

[wings396]

If you check your employee balance page, I believe that you will now see 32 as the swap number.

 

[AANOTOK]

That is similar to ours. In the easiest example I can give, ours goes like this.
We are basically scheduled 1040 hours between Jan.1st to Jun.30
Of that 1040 hours you are scheduled, you must work at least 50% (520) of those hours in that six month time frame.
Same goes for Jul.1st to Dec.31st. 50% in that six month time frame.
 
Example A: My shift is 6:00-14:30 and I let someone work it for me...I am down 8 hours.
Example B: My shift is 6:00-14:30 and I give someone my shift and pick up a 14:00-22:30...nothing lost, nothing gained.
Example C: My shift is 6:00-14:30 and someone gives me their 14:30-23:00...I have picked up an extra 8 hours.
 
Bottom line, no matter how you do it in a six month period, as long as you worked 50% of the 1040 hours each six months, you're good.
Also let me add, if you are falling short on your goal of the 50% and cannot find anyone to work for, overtime hours DO count toward your 50% total hours. If you are held over four hours, those four hours count. (not the six you actually get paid)
 
Hope I have you all confused now...it really is simple.

 

[robbedagain]

To all the FSA in the East be careful this weekend with the snow storm coming

 

[mike33]

No No there are new state laws, In this case New Jersey. If you work a swap and  anything above 40hrs the company has to pay you 1 1/2. Now the AA is saying you can't swap

  There is a case in CA going on right now regarding just that law about working forty 40 hr week. The question is whether CBA overrides state law. The Law firm handling the case says state law supersedes the CBA. The court reviewed all the information and declared that there was enough evidence to warrant a " Class Action " filing. There are court dates set up at The Supreme Court of California Northern Div out of San Francisco. " Angeles vs Usairways"
 
http://www.law360.com/articles/525472/us-airways-fleet-workers-win-class-cert-in-ot-row?article_related_content=1
 
  You can read other articles without registering for Law360......
 
There is a lot of $$ at stake for a lot of FSE's.  I personally can't see the "Win" but I'm not a lawyer...........................

 

[Worldport]

  There is a case in CA going on right now regarding just that law about working forty 40 hr week. The question is whether CBA overrides state law. The Law firm handling the case says state law supersedes the CBA. The court reviewed all the information and declared that there was enough evidence to warrant a " Class Action " filing. There are court dates set up at The Supreme Court of California Northern Div out of San Francisco. " Angeles vs Usairways"
 
http://www.law360.com/articles/525472/us-airways-fleet-workers-win-class-cert-in-ot-row?article_related_content=1
 
  You can read other articles without registering for Law360......
 
There is a lot of $$ at stake for a lot of FSE's.  I personally can't see the "Win" but I'm not a lawyer...........................

 Thank you, you understand what im trying to say The states included are NJ,NY,ME,KY,IN.ND. and Puerto Rico. Anything from our association.

 

[WeAAsles]

I was told anything over 40 per week in PR has to be paid Double Time. Plus they have a few other laws as well like a severance for the amount of years you've worked.