2014 Pilot Discussion

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Read this:
 
The West will have a merger committee at the MB arbitration.

Read this:

The East will be negotiating the US Airways pilots position.

Keep dreaming Dan, you, Chip and AOL have been wrong 100% to date.

I've been right 100%.

 

[Claxon]

You might want to keep that shredder for DOH, it won't see the light of day under MB. Here is a sample of the US Airways seniority list as of 5/1/2014. West pilots can see who holds the lottery ticket and have a couple comments:
"My Fellow West and Original Cactus pilots, Capt's And FO's. PLEASE look at this ONE basic number (ok 2) to see what we have had STOLEN from us."
Current NIC#---- Old# ----Emp# --- Name --- Pos ----Base --------Total -----%
3896 --------------4769 ---P3xxx--- ODELL D ---FO ---320 PHX -- --604 606 -100
3959 -------------4888" ---34991" --MOTZ W" --CA ---320 PHL -- 218 218 -100
3359 -----------------------P28xx-----Greco -------------------------------------------74
"Motz is the most junior Group 2 Captain in PHL now, and is 63 numbers JUNIOR to Save Dave on the NIC."
Dean, your number is on page 77, right below Dave Odell.
33068 MONDA J SIC 3896 4769 873 1579 P3173 ODELL D FO 320 PHX 604 606 100 3897 4770 873 2318 33069 COLELLO D 3898 4771 873 2319 33071 GEBHARDT D SIC 3899 4772 873 2320 33072 SIMANTS R SPV 3900 4773 873 2321 33074 WILKINSON G SPV 3901 4774 873 2322 88817 KADY L CA 320 PHL 212 218 97 3902 4776 874 2323 33076 ROGERS D FO 320 CLT 100 482 21 3903 4779 876 2324 33079 LARSEN B SIC 3904 4782 878 2325 33392 ANDERSON M FO 320 PHL 38 218 17 3905 4784 879 2326 33395 PORTALE J CA 320 PHL 213 218 98 3906 4785 879 2327 33396 SMYSER S 3907 4786 879 2328 33397 OSTERHUS P CA 320 PHL 214 218 98 3908 4787 879 2329 33398 BROWN M FO 330 CLT 94 128 73 3909 4788 879 2330 33399 FAHRMAN B SIC 3910 4789 879 2331 33400 DARDEN C FO 767 CLT 27 119 23 3911 4791 880 2332 33402 WIDMAYER J FO 330 PHL 164 235 70 3912 4792 880 2333 88949 WILLETTE M SIC 3913 4793 880 2334 33403 SADLON J FO 320 PHL 39 218 18 3914 4794 880 2335 33405 CRAINE D SIC 3915 4795 880 2336 33408 SIMPSON M FO 330 PHL 165 235 70 3916 4796 880 2337 33409 SCHERER R FO 330 PHL 166 235 71 3917 4803 886 2338 33417 KAUFMANN K CA 190 PHL 33 107 31 3918 4804 886 2339 33418 MANGUS A FO 330 PHL 167 235 71 3919 4806 887 2340 33825 CARTER R FO 330 CLT 95 128 74 3920 4809 889 2341 33828 KOVACS L CA 190 PHL 34 107 32 3921 4812 891 2342 88925 TRAVIS J FO 320 CLT 101 482 21 3922 4814 892 2343 33832 HARPER M CA 320 DCA 131 136 96 3923 4816 893 2344 33834 JAMES S CA 320 DCA 132 136 97 3924 4817 893 2345 33835 HANNIN M CA 320 DCA 133 136 98 3925 4819 894 2346 33838 WELTER R FO 330 PHL 168 235 71 3926 4824 898 2347 34280 WADKINS J CA 320 PHL 215 218 99 3927 4827 900 2348 34284 VOJVODA R
Enjoy those temporary upgrades. 😉

Stolen? Hardly. You miserable quota seeking socialist commies believe you can jump ahead of someone working a job years ahead of the day you showed up.
Interesting you cite Monda. A pilot never furloughed and loses almost 17 years.
Get in line. The line that has your hire date. Ronald Reagan would spit in your direction.

 

[Claxon]

Read this:
The East will be negotiating the US Airways pilots position.
Keep dreaming Dan, you, Chip and AOL have been wrong 100% to date.
I've been right 100%.

Munn and Traitor step on their cranks the minute their mouths open. Without fail. Same for ResDoyal. What a total gasbag.

 

[dariencc]

 
...and I so very much do remember all those many "ace pilots" of the "patriotic spartan squadrons" filling the skies over America's enemy at the time....

 
You can stop trying to convince us that combat flying carries with it any inordinate risk.  Everyone knows that the "most dangerous flying in the world" is in (Southeast ) Alaska, as eloquently documented by our favorite attention starved hero, Cap'n Aux.
 
http://vimeo.com/52958425

 

[traderjake]

USAPA Update: May 1, 2014

"From our P4P feedback, we have heard there may be some confusion when pilots read the BPR Resolutions from the BPR Special Meetings of April 23 and April 28. There is not yet any approved Protocol Agreement with the APA, but the upshot of the Resolutions is that the BPR has approved a set of proposals that have been sent to APA."
 
"Since we are in negotiations, we cannot provide any more information at this time on the agreements; however, we do expect a timely response from the APA."
 
 
I guess my speculation that APA will cave to USAPA's DOH seniority list demands by the end of the week is wrong.  

 

[USA320Pilot]

USAPA Update: May 1, 2014

From our P4P feedback, we have heard there may be some confusion when pilots read the BPR Resolutions from the BPR Special Meetings of April 23 and April 28. There is not yet any approved Protocol Agreement with the APA, but the upshot of the Resolutions is that the BPR has approved a set of proposals that have been sent to APA.

On April 23, the BPR passed the following resolution requiring BPR input and approval prior to presenting any proposed agreement to APA:

WHEREAS the BPR is interested in obtaining the best possible seniority integration for all US Airways pilots,

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT the BPR directs that the Merger Committee and their Merger Counsel shall be responsible for the Protocol, Transition and Settlement agreements in consultation with the President and the General Counsel.

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT the proposed agreements must be presented to the BPR for their input and final approval prior to presentation to the APA

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT all negotiations with APA regarding the (3) three documents shall occur exclusively between the Merger Committee and Merger Counsel, in coordination with the President and General Counsel.

BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED THAT any tentative agreement(s) obtained between the APA and USAPA are subject to final approval by the BPR.

On April 28, the BPR passed the following resolution that approved "the proposed Protocol Agreement" in accordance with the requirement from the April 23 resolution shown above.

BE IT RESOLVED THAT the Board of Pilot Representatives approves the proposed Protocol Agreement and Settlement Agreement as presented by the Merger Committee,

BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED THAT the Board of Pilot Representatives approves the proposed Merger Transition Agreement as amended.

On Tuesday, April 29, the 3 proposed agreements (proposed Protocol Agreement, proposed Merger Transition Agreement and proposedSettlement Agreement) were sent to the APA. APA can either accept our proposals, or modify them and pass back to our Merger Committee for consideration. Should they pass a modified proposal back to us, the BPR would once again have to approve them before acceptance. Since we are in negotiations, we cannot provide any more information at this time on the agreements; however, we do expect a timely response from the APA.

USAPA Communications

 

[USA320Pilot]

USAPA Update: May 1, 2014

From our P4P feedback, we have heard there may be some confusion when pilots read the BPR Resolutions from the BPR Special Meetings of April 23 and April 28. There is not yet any approved Protocol Agreement with the APA, but the upshot of the Resolutions is that the BPR has approved a set of proposals that have been sent to APA.

On April 23, the BPR passed the following resolution requiring BPR input and approval prior to presenting any proposed agreement to APA:

WHEREAS the BPR is interested in obtaining the best possible seniority integration for all US Airways pilots,

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT the BPR directs that the Merger Committee and their Merger Counsel shall be responsible for the Protocol, Transition and Settlement agreements in consultation with the President and the General Counsel.

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT the proposed agreements must be presented to the BPR for their input and final approval prior to presentation to the APA

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT all negotiations with APA regarding the (3) three documents shall occur exclusively between the Merger Committee and Merger Counsel, in coordination with the President and General Counsel.

BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED THAT any tentative agreement(s) obtained between the APA and USAPA are subject to final approval by the BPR.

On April 28, the BPR passed the following resolution that approved "the proposed Protocol Agreement" in accordance with the requirement from the April 23 resolution shown above.

BE IT RESOLVED THAT the Board of Pilot Representatives approves the proposed Protocol Agreement and Settlement Agreement as presented by the Merger Committee,

BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED THAT the Board of Pilot Representatives approves the proposed Merger Transition Agreement as amended.

On Tuesday, April 29, the 3 proposed agreements (proposed Protocol Agreement, proposed Merger Transition Agreement and proposedSettlement Agreement) were sent to the APA. APA can either accept our proposals, or modify them and pass back to our Merger Committee for consideration. Should they pass a modified proposal back to us, the BPR would once again have to approve them before acceptance. Since we are in negotiations, we cannot provide any more information at this time on the agreements; however, we do expect a timely response from the APA.

USAPA Communications

 
"Since we are in negotiations (with APA and AAG on the ground rules for the M-B process, MTA, and a settlement agreement), we cannot provide any more information at this time on the agreements; however, we do expect a timely response from the APA." Really? The pilots don't have a dog in this fight and rank-and-file cannot know the proposals? What's so secret about M-B ground rules and a UTA or now a MTA? By the way, didn't the MOU became a MTA on December 9th?

 

[nevergiveup]

USAPA Update: May 1, 2014

"From our P4P feedback, we have heard there may be some confusion when pilots read the BPR Resolutions from the BPR Special Meetings of April 23 and April 28. There is not yet any approved Protocol Agreement with the APA, but the upshot of the Resolutions is that the BPR has approved a set of proposals that have been sent to APA."
 
"Since we are in negotiations, we cannot provide any more information at this time on the agreements; however, we do expect a timely response from the APA."
 
 
I guess my speculation that APA will cave to USAPA's DOH seniority list demands by the end of the week is wrong.  

You could get something even worse than DOH! I'll have a TWA guy call you and explain it.

 

[Phoenix]

I find it ironic that Chip would complain about being in the dark about the contents of the proposed agreements, and apparently at the same time be completely oblivious to the great damage he has done to the oft repeated assumption that he is an "insider".

 

[algflyr]

 
By the way, didn't the MOU became a MTA on December 9th?

 
Two different documents. The MTA they reference is a UNION MTA...

 

[Freighterguynow]

You might want to keep that shredder for DOH, it won't see the light of day under MB. Here is a sample of the US Airways seniority list as of 5/1/2014. West pilots can see who holds the lottery ticket and have a couple comments:
"My Fellow West and Original Cactus pilots, Capt's And FO's. PLEASE look at this ONE basic number (ok 2) to see what we have had STOLEN from us."
Current NIC#---- Old# ----Emp# --- Name --- Pos ----Base --------Total -----%
3896 --------------4769 ---P3xxx--- ODELL D ---FO ---320 PHX -- --604 606 -100
3959 -------------4888" ---34991" --MOTZ W" --CA ---320 PHL -- 218 218 -100
3359 -----------------------P28xx-----Greco -------------------------------------------74
"Motz is the most junior Group 2 Captain in PHL now, and is 63 numbers JUNIOR to Save Dave on the NIC."

Enjoy those temporary upgrades. 😉

Purgatory - its in the dictionary right before pyrrhic.

 

[Pi brat]

You might want to keep that shredder for DOH, it won't see the light of day under MB. Here is a sample of the US Airways seniority list as of 5/1/2014. West pilots can see who holds the lottery ticket and have a couple comments:


"My Fellow West and Original Cactus pilots, Capt's And FO's. PLEASE look at this ONE basic number (ok 2) to see what we have had STOLEN from us."


Current NIC#---- Old# ----Emp# --- Name --- Pos ----Base --------Total -----%
3896 --------------4769 ---P3xxx--- ODELL D ---FO ---320 PHX -- --604 606 -100
3959 -------------4888" ---34991" --MOTZ W" --CA ---320 PHL -- 218 218 -100
3359 -----------------------P28xx-----Greco -------------------------------------------74

"Motz is the most junior Group 2 Captain in PHL now, and is 63 numbers JUNIOR to Save Dave on the NIC."

Dean, your number is on page 77, right below Dave Odell.

33068 MONDA J SIC 3896 4769 873 1579 P3173 ODELL D FO 320 PHX 604 606 100 3897 4770 873 2318 33069 COLELLO D 3898 4771 873 2319 33071 GEBHARDT D SIC 3899 4772 873 2320 33072 SIMANTS R SPV 3900 4773 873 2321 33074 WILKINSON G SPV 3901 4774 873 2322 88817 KADY L CA 320 PHL 212 218 97 3902 4776 874 2323 33076 ROGERS D FO 320 CLT 100 482 21 3903 4779 876 2324 33079 LARSEN B SIC 3904 4782 878 2325 33392 ANDERSON M FO 320 PHL 38 218 17 3905 4784 879 2326 33395 PORTALE J CA 320 PHL 213 218 98 3906 4785 879 2327 33396 SMYSER S 3907 4786 879 2328 33397 OSTERHUS P CA 320 PHL 214 218 98 3908 4787 879 2329 33398 BROWN M FO 330 CLT 94 128 73 3909 4788 879 2330 33399 FAHRMAN B SIC 3910 4789 879 2331 33400 DARDEN C FO 767 CLT 27 119 23 3911 4791 880 2332 33402 WIDMAYER J FO 330 PHL 164 235 70 3912 4792 880 2333 88949 WILLETTE M SIC 3913 4793 880 2334 33403 SADLON J FO 320 PHL 39 218 18 3914 4794 880 2335 33405 CRAINE D SIC 3915 4795 880 2336 33408 SIMPSON M FO 330 PHL 165 235 70 3916 4796 880 2337 33409 SCHERER R FO 330 PHL 166 235 71 3917 4803 886 2338 33417 KAUFMANN K CA 190 PHL 33 107 31 3918 4804 886 2339 33418 MANGUS A FO 330 PHL 167 235 71 3919 4806 887 2340 33825 CARTER R FO 330 CLT 95 128 74 3920 4809 889 2341 33828 KOVACS L CA 190 PHL 34 107 32 3921 4812 891 2342 88925 TRAVIS J FO 320 CLT 101 482 21 3922 4814 892 2343 33832 HARPER M CA 320 DCA 131 136 96 3923 4816 893 2344 33834 JAMES S CA 320 DCA 132 136 97 3924 4817 893 2345 33835 HANNIN M CA 320 DCA 133 136 98 3925 4819 894 2346 33838 WELTER R FO 330 PHL 168 235 71 3926 4824 898 2347 34280 WADKINS J CA 320 PHL 215 218 99 3927 4827 900 2348 34284 VOJVODA R

Enjoy those temporary upgrades. 😉

 
 
The author of this diatribe is a pathetic loser. Didn't he(she) know the risks of going all Leonidas on our rears? They were going show us how it was done, and now that they see the cost, they whine.
 
"Stole." Right-get a life. If not call Ferguson and whine about it.
 
Snappy, once again you make your fellow westies look bad by posting their brain droppings.

 

[Claxon]

"Since we are in negotiations (with APA and AAG on the ground rules for the M-B process, MTA, and a settlement agreement), we cannot provide any more information at this time on the agreements; however, we do expect a timely response from the APA." Really? The pilots don't have a dog in this fight and rank-and-file cannot know the proposals? What's so secret about M-B ground rules and a UTA or now a MTA? By the way, didn't the MOU became a MTA on December 9th?[/size]

Spread some more lies and disinformation. Your specialty.

 

[snapthis]

Stolen? Hardly. You miserable quota seeking socialist commies believe you can jump ahead of someone working a job years ahead of the day you showed up.
Interesting you cite Monda. A pilot never furloughed and loses almost 17 years.
Get in line. The line that has your hire date. Ronald Reagan would spit in your direction.

Socialist? Hardly. I'm a Capitalist and my company acquired your company, the one who's headed by a guy named Parker? Not Lakefield because he had no exit plan. The arbitrator and pilot neutrals recognized that buying usair stock was a loser, ch 7.

Stand in line?
Thanks to Parker, you got a second chance and I have no interest in standing behind you in the unemployment line because that's where you were headed, MC.

Too bad you tried and failed with this loser..
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[PullUp]

Socialist? Hardly. I'm a Capitalist and my company acquired your company, the one who's headed by a guy named Parker? Not Lakefield because he had no exit plan. The arbitrator and pilot neutrals recognized that buying usair stock was a loser, ch 7.

Stand in line?
Thanks to Parker, you got a second chance and I have no interest in standing behind you in the unemployment line because that's where you were headed, MC.

Too bad you tried and failed with this loser..
 

That was sooooo yesterday. Try to keep up with current events.