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The company should look at making fun of an employee because of their gender and age seriously.snapthis said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvF6nosQOmw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHUx5rdXM0Qsnapthis said:
america west pilots activity ignored by doug parker;
"While the Court has concluded that such actions do not come
within the purview of RICO, it may well be that a Court of appropriate
jurisdiction will conclude that such actions do constitute violations of state
law and that injunctive relief is warranted to prevent this type of conduct
from continuing."
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/Rico/Rico%20District/97%20Order.pdf
http://cactus18.typepad.com/the_cactus_18/files/final.pdf
"While the Court has concluded that such actions do not come
within the purview of RICO, it may well be that a Court of appropriate
jurisdiction will conclude that such actions do constitute violations of state
law and that injunctive relief is warranted to prevent this type of conduct
from continuing."
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/Rico/Rico%20District/97%20Order.pdf
http://cactus18.typepad.com/the_cactus_18/files/final.pdf
"US Airways recently admitted that a management pilot accessed and transferred a confidential database containing the personal information of thousands of US Airways pilots, including names, addresses and Social Security numbers. The transferred database may also have included pilot passport information. The data was given to a third party pilot group, which has acted to disrupt the ongoing negotiations between USAPA and US Airways currently under the auspices of the National Mediation Board and undermine USAPA’s bargaining objectives."
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=artlVgXckpgY
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=artlVgXckpgY
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I seem to remember something about an industry leading contract and a lot of other promises made by the US Airlines Pilots Association. The US AIRLINES Pilots Association? I don't think any airlines are interested in the "accomplishments" of this experiment.
Any takers yet?
Usapa is like a tattoo. A permanent reminder of a temporary feeling.
Any takers yet?
Usapa is like a tattoo. A permanent reminder of a temporary feeling.
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I see this quote:Claxon said:
"USAPA has been working with the FBI since November 2010 in an attempt to
determine the exact scope of the data breach. In his letter alerting the FBI,
the Transportation Security Administration and the Federal Aviation
Administration to USAPA’s concerns, President Cleary said,"
What were the results of the FBI investigation?
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I understand that information would be available to a chief pilot so I would not use the phrase "took" and I would think that the charges made by President Cleary have been dismissed.Claxon said:
Since you brought it up:
A personal message to all USAirways pilots from Eric Ferguson
April 13 2011
Dear USAirways Pilots
I want to thank everyone who has taken the time to call, email, or text a message of support to me recently. I have remained deliberately silent for some time in order to allow things to play out, but I believe it is now time to break my silence. While I cannot comment directly on any ongoing investigation, I remain confident that I will be entirely vindicated- not just found not guilty of any wrongdoing, but instead declared innocent of all charges made against me by USAPA.
In the meantime, the incessant clanging from the gong known as USAPA Communications regarding what has been deliberately and misleadingly categorized as identity theft is no doubt far more annoying to most of you than it is even to me and my fellow accused pilots. However, absent any hearing or due process, what should have been discretely handled as accusations (which they are), have been treated as ironclad convictions by the utterly failed leadership of USAPA. It is patently obvious to even the most casual observer that USAPA has again manufactured a crisis in attempt to keep its understandably restless and mutinous disciples under control. Simply ask yourself if it would be wise to repeatedly declare to anyone who would care to listen that the lock to your house was broken? The first rule of security is to NOT tell the world when you believe you have a security problem. If there really was a problem, then USAPA has actually done its pilots a tremendous disservice by alerting any would-be wrongdoers of a potential weakness in the manner in which it has. This speaks volumes about the real objectives of the Cleary regime and its latest folly. It also reeks of desperation, as the briefly unified East pilots begin to turn on one another and the infighting becomes more and more public. If victory for DOH was truly imminent, then none of this would be happening.
The distinction between an accusation and a conviction must be beyond the elementary comprehension level of Cleary, Theuer, and the rest of his crack team of would-be thugs who have failed to deliver ANYTHING of value- other than a comic tragedy- to the US Airways pilots. It is ironic how carefully USAPA Communications uses the word alleged whenever the accused act implicates one of Cleary's cronies in a physical altercation, but declines to use this important modifier when referring to the supposed identity theft of US Airways pilots.
Personally, I find the unwarranted hysteria to be amusing, and even helpful to the cause of Leonidas, LLC. The recent spike in funds raised by Leonidas certainly bear this out. I have remained silent thus far while enjoying my Administrative Leave made necessary by the hostile work environment created by Mike Cleary and his Communications Committee. However, I will concede that this has produced a singular downside for me and my fellow accused pilots; it has created yet more baseless accusations and false convictions written in the indelible ink of today's Internet. This is no doubt designed to create personal liability for me and my family (and that of many fellow West pilots and their families as well) forevermore should we choose to undertake endeavors outside the scope of our employment as pilots for the company. For me, this is a battle I have chosen to undertake knowing full well the possible risks to my career and reputation, so I simply brush it all aside (for now). More on that later.
I am no psychologist (so please do not take this as a diagnosis), but it is obvious to me that Mike Cleary's primary and driving personality trait is narcissism- almost pathologically so. This makes for the best possible (and most predictable) adversary from my perspective and that of the West pilots. The overwrought reaction by Cleary to East pilots simply receiving US mail of a factual nature that Mike has been desperate to shield his flock from, was even part of Leonidas, LLC's plan at the outset of that project. We could not possibly have asked for more attention to be drawn to the West perspective of our seniority dispute as illustrated in the Leonidas Brochures.
There was a time when I contemplated the recall of Mike Cleary and Randy Mowrey. However, when we began to discuss this among West pilots, it became clear that most see his leadership (though I wouldn't call it that) as helpful to the cause of defending against DOH and enforcing the Nicolau. After some reflection, I realized that I had become too close to the conflagration that is Mike to see what was happening and how it really benefited the West in the long run.
While it is true that a very few may pay the ultimate price and lose their careers due to our union's many inadequate or under-performing components (all courtesy of Mike and his friends), ultimate victory for the West- and therefore all US Airways pilots- is much more likely with him in charge. Therefore, my new strategy is to support Mike and help keep him in power as long as possible. If East pilots are truly dissatisfied with Mike and Randy's performance (as is apparent that many are), then they will have to do something about it on their own. In the meantime, we can all enjoy our Cleary imposed vow of poverty until the West ultimately prevails in court, or until the East pilots simply find a way to make good on their obligations to the West via the arbitrated seniority list.
It is also clear that these relentlessly shrill and caustic communications are largely designed to intimidate the accused. I envision Mike and Randy drunkenly patting each others' backs, and gently stroking one anothers' egos over the false image of me cowering in a closet somewhere, hiding in fear. They no doubt fantasize that this is the end of the West effort and that victory is just around the corner. This is laughable. Those of you whom I have had the pleasure of speaking with know otherwise.
I must contrast myself and my Leonidas team with the current USAPA President: While Mike Cleary lacked the fortitude to so much as sign a lease on the new USAPA Headquarters, (sighting that he would not accept the liability for this decision of the BPR), I and my team stood up against both the East pilots (who outnumber the West pilots two-to-one, and are entitled to a portion of our paycheck under threat of termination) AND the company. We have done this with the foreknowledge that it could well cost one (or all) of us our jobs, and that this union would do anything but protect us. This has been a necessary risk all along, just to do the right thing. Furthermore, we have not so much as hidden our names, addresses, telephone numbers, or even schedules from the public or our adversaries during this fight. All along, we have, and will continue to operate to the highest standard of ethics, and we WILL be vindicated when the dust settles.
The predictable idiocy continues unabated even this week. On April 12th, the East contingent of the BPR again authorized Cleary and USAPA Legal (in their lone authority) to initiate legal proceedings against Leonidas and whoever else they so choose. This is not unlike the bumbling RICO strategy used in the earliest days of USAPA's reign of failure to bankrupt the West pilots' legal defense. The end result of that effort was an even more unified West group, further galvanized to thwart USAPA's singular DOH mission. It went poorly for USAPA, but beautifully for the West. Should Cleary again launch more frivolous litigation against me or my fellow West pilots, I predict it will only backfire on him.
Bring it, Mike. The West is more than ready.
I recommend that all West pilots continue to support Mike Cleary, though not for any of the reasons he would like our support. He is perfect for the job.
Please visit www.cactuspilot.com to keep informed and continue the fight.
Sincerely,
Eric Ferguson
Co-founder of Leonidas, LLC
Former RICO Defendant
Former USAPA Las Vegas Chairman
Current Overwhelmingly Elected PHX USAPA Vice-Chairman
Robust supporter of Mike Cleary as USAPA President
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Dear EastlUSh, you ignorant inebriate...EastUS1 said:
Just stopped by to see how you were doing; to check in on how you kids were all getting along, and I come across this pompous, puerile, prattle of yours, which of course, I am morally obligated to refute.
So, just what exactly were the "vaunted" hiring standards of your previous carrier, and in what way did they improve the safety and/or efficacy of your old airline's operation? Because I can't imagine how bad things would have been if those lofty standards hadn't been cemented firmly in place, and you boys hadn't stepped up and "held the line"!
Did one have to be a "turbojet tail-dragger" or have a "transport category seaplane" rating to get an interview? Maybe you are a member of that small, exclusive club?
A cynical friend of mine once said about you guys... "They were just farmers that learned to fly airplanes... and they were sh--ty farmers!!!
GFYS
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united airlines alpa mec update April 30, 2014
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[SIZE=12pt]9-G-1-a [/SIZE] [SIZE=12pt]The Company shall establish training policies and requirements. A Training Committee composed of representatives of the Company and representatives of the pilots shall be established. The Training Committee shall meet quarterly unless the parties agree to meet less frequently, or at any other time the parties mutually agree. It is the intent of the parties to this Agreement that this Training Committee shall provide the pilots with the opportunity to consult with and make recommendations to the Company on training policies or changes, training programs or changes, or any other matters affecting Pilot training. In the event that the Training Committee and the Company are unable to resolve issues of training, these issues shall be referred to the Managing Director of Training, the Senior Vice President of Flight Operations and the Master Chairman for resolution.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]The MEC Training Committee was given no presentation that this training was being developed, nor were they given the opportunity to provide input. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]This training module is ill-conceived and premature. First, without the Training Committee’s direct involvement, this training violates at least the intent of 9-G-1: collaborative training that is of the quality we should expect from our airline. Second, the ULN has been proven to be a poor platform for any type of training. If the company is truly serious about providing effective, meaningful training, they must first be working toward giving us the tools to complete that training. Third, this is training that must be done in a classroom alongside the Dispatchers. This ULN module should have been no more than a brief introduction.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Fuel is an important cost component of this company, and the pilots are concerned about our company’s health as much or more than anyone. But that does not give anyone the right to violate our Contract. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]The UAL MEC Officers and MEC Committees are working with management to get this training rectified. We have also referred the matter to the Managing Director of Training and the Senior Vice President of Flight Operations per 9-G-1-a. We will report back to you as soon as this matter has a satisfactory resolution. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]The company has recently mandated “Fuel Efficiency Training” for all pilots and threatened “disciplinary action” if not completed on time. This training is not endorsed by ALPA and was not vetted by the Training Committee. The company failed to comply with 9-G-1 which reads as follows:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]9-G-1-a [/SIZE] [SIZE=12pt]The Company shall establish training policies and requirements. A Training Committee composed of representatives of the Company and representatives of the pilots shall be established. The Training Committee shall meet quarterly unless the parties agree to meet less frequently, or at any other time the parties mutually agree. It is the intent of the parties to this Agreement that this Training Committee shall provide the pilots with the opportunity to consult with and make recommendations to the Company on training policies or changes, training programs or changes, or any other matters affecting Pilot training. In the event that the Training Committee and the Company are unable to resolve issues of training, these issues shall be referred to the Managing Director of Training, the Senior Vice President of Flight Operations and the Master Chairman for resolution.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]The MEC Training Committee was given no presentation that this training was being developed, nor were they given the opportunity to provide input. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]This training module is ill-conceived and premature. First, without the Training Committee’s direct involvement, this training violates at least the intent of 9-G-1: collaborative training that is of the quality we should expect from our airline. Second, the ULN has been proven to be a poor platform for any type of training. If the company is truly serious about providing effective, meaningful training, they must first be working toward giving us the tools to complete that training. Third, this is training that must be done in a classroom alongside the Dispatchers. This ULN module should have been no more than a brief introduction.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Fuel is an important cost component of this company, and the pilots are concerned about our company’s health as much or more than anyone. But that does not give anyone the right to violate our Contract. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]The UAL MEC Officers and MEC Committees are working with management to get this training rectified. We have also referred the matter to the Managing Director of Training and the Senior Vice President of Flight Operations per 9-G-1-a. We will report back to you as soon as this matter has a satisfactory resolution. "[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]"The company has recently mandated “Fuel Efficiency Training” for all pilots and threatened “disciplinary action” if not completed on time. This training is not endorsed by ALPA and was not vetted by the Training Committee. The company failed to comply with 9-G-1 which reads as follows:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]9-G-1-a [/SIZE] [SIZE=12pt]The Company shall establish training policies and requirements. A Training Committee composed of representatives of the Company and representatives of the pilots shall be established. The Training Committee shall meet quarterly unless the parties agree to meet less frequently, or at any other time the parties mutually agree. It is the intent of the parties to this Agreement that this Training Committee shall provide the pilots with the opportunity to consult with and make recommendations to the Company on training policies or changes, training programs or changes, or any other matters affecting Pilot training. In the event that the Training Committee and the Company are unable to resolve issues of training, these issues shall be referred to the Managing Director of Training, the Senior Vice President of Flight Operations and the Master Chairman for resolution.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]The MEC Training Committee was given no presentation that this training was being developed, nor were they given the opportunity to provide input. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]This training module is ill-conceived and premature. First, without the Training Committee’s direct involvement, this training violates at least the intent of 9-G-1: collaborative training that is of the quality we should expect from our airline. Second, the ULN has been proven to be a poor platform for any type of training. If the company is truly serious about providing effective, meaningful training, they must first be working toward giving us the tools to complete that training. Third, this is training that must be done in a classroom alongside the Dispatchers. This ULN module should have been no more than a brief introduction.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Fuel is an important cost component of this company, and the pilots are concerned about our company’s health as much or more than anyone. But that does not give anyone the right to violate our Contract. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]The UAL MEC Officers and MEC Committees are working with management to get this training rectified. We have also referred the matter to the Managing Director of Training and the Senior Vice President of Flight Operations per 9-G-1-a. We will report back to you as soon as this matter has a satisfactory resolution. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]The company has recently mandated “Fuel Efficiency Training” for all pilots and threatened “disciplinary action” if not completed on time. This training is not endorsed by ALPA and was not vetted by the Training Committee. The company failed to comply with 9-G-1 which reads as follows:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]9-G-1-a [/SIZE] [SIZE=12pt]The Company shall establish training policies and requirements. A Training Committee composed of representatives of the Company and representatives of the pilots shall be established. The Training Committee shall meet quarterly unless the parties agree to meet less frequently, or at any other time the parties mutually agree. It is the intent of the parties to this Agreement that this Training Committee shall provide the pilots with the opportunity to consult with and make recommendations to the Company on training policies or changes, training programs or changes, or any other matters affecting Pilot training. In the event that the Training Committee and the Company are unable to resolve issues of training, these issues shall be referred to the Managing Director of Training, the Senior Vice President of Flight Operations and the Master Chairman for resolution.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]The MEC Training Committee was given no presentation that this training was being developed, nor were they given the opportunity to provide input. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]This training module is ill-conceived and premature. First, without the Training Committee’s direct involvement, this training violates at least the intent of 9-G-1: collaborative training that is of the quality we should expect from our airline. Second, the ULN has been proven to be a poor platform for any type of training. If the company is truly serious about providing effective, meaningful training, they must first be working toward giving us the tools to complete that training. Third, this is training that must be done in a classroom alongside the Dispatchers. This ULN module should have been no more than a brief introduction.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Fuel is an important cost component of this company, and the pilots are concerned about our company’s health as much or more than anyone. But that does not give anyone the right to violate our Contract. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]The UAL MEC Officers and MEC Committees are working with management to get this training rectified. We have also referred the matter to the Managing Director of Training and the Senior Vice President of Flight Operations per 9-G-1-a. We will report back to you as soon as this matter has a satisfactory resolution. "[/SIZE]
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