2014 Pilot Discussion

[FL430]

... pursuant to the rights and responsibilities of MB.
Anybody got the T-Minus clock? 😀

So where is prechill, still at the clock shop trying to get her clocks fixed?

And yet another Christmas comes and goes with no " ho ho ho, st Nic is coming to town" - keep writing those checks to Marty pre...maybe st Nic will be better to you next year.

 

[dariencc]

missed my point.

 
So did I.  Enlighten us.

 

[nevergiveup]

If the west can have their own representation at the arbitration, then I should be able to as well! 

 

[Metroyet]

If the west can have their own representation at the arbitration, then I should be able to as well!

The ONLY reason anyone would be opposed to the west having a seat would be because they're terrified of the west getting a fair process. Gee, I wonder why?

 

[A320 Driver]

The ONLY reason anyone would be opposed to the west having a seat would be because they're terrified of the west getting a fair process. Gee, I wonder why?

BOLOGNA
You are going to waste your time persuing the NIC and dilute all of us in the process.

 

[end_of_alpa]

The ONLY reason anyone would be opposed to the west having a seat would be because they're terrified of the west getting a fair process. Gee, I wonder why?

Uhhh.....how about because under M-B (the statute) the APA LEGALLY doesn't have standing (and neither does the PAB have standing to authorize) APA to appoint participant status.  And three cases later, AOL STILL doesn't have a legal claim.  It's called Res Judicata.

 

[end_of_alpa]

BOLOGNA
You are going to waste your time persuing the NIC and dilute all of us in the process.

Ohhh....and what HE said!!!

 

[Black Swan]

The ONLY reason anyone would be opposed to the west having a seat would be because they're terrified of the west getting a fair process. Gee, I wonder why?

There is a very defined process that has to follow RLA law as well as McCaskill/Bond.
The West pilots cannot be broken out of the USAirways Pilots bargaining unit. Cannot.
As much as anyone thinks it is more fair, there is another argument backed by law that says you legally cannot do it.
If someone attempts to do it, it will go right to appeals and be denied. The arbitrators know labor law and union representational protocol. They may have a personal opinion, and write about it, but they will not break the west out and give them a seat.

 

[Black Swan]

If the west can have their own representation at the arbitration, then I should be able to as well!

And this is exactly why they will not. It will unfairly treat West pilots more advantageously, despite what they say has been unfair. They now have a tremendous future ahead of them if they would look. The arbitrators are well aware of how good all the parties have it going forward.

 

[Phoenix]

The ONLY reason anyone would be opposed to the west having a seat would be because they're terrified of the west getting a fair process. Gee, I wonder why?

I want the west to have a separate seat. I think it would be fair. It won't happen.

"It's a new day." The west will at long last be given the unequivocal choice... 1) participate or 2) STFU.
 
Marty will be relocating to an undisclosed bunker in a remote location, perhaps a distant country, in T-14 days.  

 

[A320 Driver]

And this is exactly why they will not. It will unfairly treat West pilots more advantageously, despite what they say has been unfair. They now have a tremendous future ahead of them if they would look. The arbitrators are well aware of how good all the parties have it going forward.

Fairness being a relative term. To the West, the NIC was fair because the process was followed. For us, the result, which we view as patently unfair puts the process in question.

I've said before that I view the NIC and straight DOH as equally toxic. I hope the arbitrators view it the same way. We have literally begged for participation from the West for years and yet they claim they are not represented. It's their own fault at this point. IMO, this SLI starts with three lists and the paradigms that existed on December 9th 2013. If I understand it, USAPA will have to provide two lists, one East and one West, and their vision of what the three lists will look like in the end. That does not disadvantage the West, but treats them exactly the same way the East pilots are regarded on the list IF you take the NIC out of the equation. Based on testimony at the recent arbitration, it sounds more like the United/Continental SLI is the way this is leaning. That is a LONG way from DOH.

 

[Metroyet]

Uhhh.....how about because under M-B (the statute) the APA LEGALLY doesn't have standing (and neither does the PAB have standing to authorize) APA to appoint participant status.  And three cases later, AOL STILL doesn't have a legal claim.  It's called Res Judicata.

I'm sure you'll be running off to federal court just as soon as the Arbitrators don't agree with you. I bet the complaint is already in the can. I say you do as much of your USAPA antics and bullshit with the APA that you've done for years. We'll see how effective it is now.

 

[Phoenix]

I'm sure you'll be running off to federal court just as soon as the Arbitrators don't agree with you. I bet the complaint is already in the can. I say you do as much of your USAPA antics and bullshit with the APA that you've done for years. We'll see how effective it is now.

The only way this gets needlessly prolonged is if the PAB doesn't follow the law. They will. Pick 1 or 2. It will move on expeditiously, with or without you.

 

[Metroyet]

Fairness being a relative term. To the West, the NIC was fair because the process was followed. For us, the result, which we view as patently unfair puts the process in question.
I've said before that I view the NIC and straight DOH as equally toxic. I hope the arbitrators view it the same way. We have literally begged for participation from the West for years and yet they claim they are not represented. It's their own fault at this point. IMO, this SLI starts with three lists and the paradigms that existed on December 9th 2013. If I understand it, USAPA will have to provide two lists, one East and one West, and their vision of what the three lists will look like in the end. That does not disadvantage the West, but treats them exactly the same way the East pilots are regarded on the list IF you take the NIC out of the equation. Based on testimony at the recent arbitration, it sounds more like the United/Continental SLI is the way this is leaning. That is a LONG way from DOH.

Exactly!!! The East pilots want to force themselves Into the position of being "the new Nicolau " . The chairman flushed that bullshit out of your mouthpiece rather efficiently.

 

[A320 Driver]

Exactly!!! The East pilots want to force themselves Into the position of being "the new Nicolau " . The chairman flushed that bullshit out of your mouthpiece rather efficiently.

You think so? We will know soon enough...