2014 Pilot Discussion

[Phoenix]

A great idea Ms Pelosi, but umm...Would you kindly tell us all just exactly what's really "in it" before anyone gets overly excited about having to "pass it" just "to find out", at least this time?...Or is that just too much effort to ever ask?
 
"Shirley" any and all great cheerleaders for an immediate vote must necessarilly be able to at least describe, point by point, exactly what lasting effects on even days off alone this will have?...Vacation durations and scheduling?... Work days per month versus the current?...Changes in company access to reserve pilots?...How about even reductions in the needed pilot force?...The actually expected changes to W2's, versus single-mindedly focusing on hourly gains alone? Perhaps just even how much this would change the timeline for future section 6 accessibility?...No?....No clue? Does anyone, outside of management that is, honestly even have half a clue?

ORD assures us that Parker hired Glass in order to offer us $1.9B if we give $100M... Parker is using the new compassionate Jerry to change the culture...

 

[EastUS1]

ORD assures us that Parker hired Glass in order to offer us $1.9B if we give $100M... Parker is using the new compassionate Jerry to change the culture...

 
"to offer us $1.9B if we give $100M."..? WOW! Really!? Well, that all seems fully "reasonable"...especially coming from honest and decent people who fought tooth-and-nail to deny any pay restorations from LOA93, even including just a merely 3% raise, and have racked-up pretty much industry-leading records for sheer volumes of outstanding labor grievances! Whatta' deal! No one should ever dare look that gift "horse" in the mouth! Everyone should jump on that, and I mean RIGHT NOW! After all folks; what even slight part of ANY of THAT "valuation' from Fantasyland it's-own-self could ever even POSSIBLY be total BS?
 
P.S. The family has some fine land for sale in Florida. Very reasonable terms available, and already supplied with colorful, indigenous characters (OK...so mostly gators and admittedly ex-pat pythons) that'd none-the-less be perfectly suitable for your dream homes, well, with just a wee bit of perpetual pumping required, of course. How 'bout if I "earnestly promise" you all a 1.9 Billion Dollar return on your total investment of only a measly 100 Million? Still ready and eager to sign, no questions asked? Umm..Would it help if I added the thought that it's only been driven on sundays by the gators, and has really, really low mileage?...Or do you only trust people sporting pink wigs and purple tutus?

 

[Phoenix]

If Jerold gave pilots 20 to 1... The mafia wouldn't eat, drink, or sleep until there was a new cement Christmas tree in the deep part of the Delaware River.

 

[TBONEJ4J]

ORD assures us that Parker hired Glass in order to offer us $1.9B if we give $100M... Parker is using the new compassionate Jerry to change the culture...

Yep. Doug is giving $1,900,000,000 in exchange for $100,000,000. He only hired Glass & Associates because he needs extra help wrapping such a huge gift. He's all about the giving is our Doug Parker. Aw shucks, he's probably Santa Clause.
 
Suckers.

 

[EastUS1]

Yep. Doug is giving $1,900,000,000 in exchange for $100,000,000. He only hired Glass & Associates because he needs extra help wrapping such a huge gift. He's all about the giving is our Doug Parker. Aw shucks, he's probably Santa Clause.

 
Indeed. I mean really; what other explanation's even possible? I'd callously overlooked the obvious in my rush to judgement.  I humbly ask all to forgive my previously cynical doubting. 

 

[EastUS1]

If Jerold gave pilots 20 to 1... The mafia wouldn't eat, drink, or sleep until there was a new cement Christmas tree in the deep part of the Delaware River.

 
Whatcher point? You'se gots a problem wid' 'dat? Hey, fish gotta' right to sum seasonal joy too!

 

[snapthis]

December 31,2014
Brian O'Dwyer [email protected] O'DWYER & BERNSTIEN, LLP 52 Duane Street, 5th Floor New York, NY 10007
 
Dear Brian,
 
I wanted to get this letter to you before 2014 is behind us. It is precipitated by the Joint CLT, PHL, DCA USAPA Update from December 27, 2014.
 
In that Update, the eight former East Pilots, who are now BPR members, clearly state that "USAPA exists almost exclusively to represent the interests of our pilots during the seniority integration process..." The West Pilots reject the suggestion that USAPA, the nonprofit association, exists to represent them in the SLI process.
 
As the West Pilots have stated on numerous occasions in the past, and most recently in the arbitration in Washington, DC earlier this month, they do not want or recognize the East Pilots as representing them in any seniority process. Nor do they want any of their excess USAPA Union dues used for this purpose. So, as we have requested repeatedly in the past, please make sure that the four National Officers take all appropriate steps to ensure that the excess West Pilot dues money is not used against the seniority interests of the West Pilots.
 

Very truly yours,​

Marty​

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[nevergiveup]

I don't believe USAPA represents me either so I don't want them to use my dues money as well. What say the rest of you?

 

[nycbusdriver]

USAPA's continued existence, and the means to administer it, for the purpose of protecting the US Airways pilots during a merger is set in the C & B-Ls which were voted on and approved by its members in April, 2008.  Until the C&B-Ls call for its dissolution, I am in favor of using what is in the USAPA treasury to perform the function in its mandate.

 

[Phoenix]

USAPA's continued existence, and the means to administer it, for the purpose of protecting the US Airways pilots during a merger is set in the C & B-Ls which were voted on and approved by its members in April, 2008.  Until the C&B-Ls call for its dissolution, I am in favor of using what is in the USAPA treasury to perform the function in its mandate.

... pursuant to the rights and responsibilities of MB.

Anybody got the T-Minus clock?

 

[Phoenix]

December 31,2014
Brian O'Dwyer [email protected] O'DWYER & BERNSTIEN, LLP 52 Duane Street, 5th Floor New York, NY 10007
 
Dear Brian,
 
I wanted to get this letter to you before 2014 is behind us. It is precipitated by the Joint CLT, PHL, DCA USAPA Update from December 27, 2014.
 
In that Update, the eight former East Pilots, who are now BPR members, clearly state that "USAPA exists almost exclusively to represent the interests of our pilots during the seniority integration process..." The West Pilots reject the suggestion that USAPA, the nonprofit association, exists to represent them in the SLI process.
 
As the West Pilots have stated on numerous occasions in the past, and most recently in the arbitration in Washington, DC earlier this month, they do not want or recognize the East Pilots as representing them in any seniority process. Nor do they want any of their excess USAPA Union dues used for this purpose. So, as we have requested repeatedly in the past, please make sure that the four National Officers take all appropriate steps to ensure that the excess West Pilot dues money is not used against the seniority interests of the West Pilots.
 

Very truly yours,​

Marty​

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Did Marty come clean yet? Did he tell you about "a former bargaining agent in a covered transaction"?

 

[nevergiveup]

missed my point.

 

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December 31,2014
Brian O'Dwyer [email protected] O'DWYER & BERNSTIEN, LLP 52 Duane Street, 5th Floor New York, NY 10007
 
Dear Brian,
 
I wanted to get this letter to you before 2014 is behind us. It is precipitated by the Joint CLT, PHL, DCA USAPA Update from December 27, 2014.
 
In that Update, the eight former East Pilots, who are now BPR members, clearly state that "USAPA exists almost exclusively to represent the interests of our pilots during the seniority integration process..." The West Pilots reject the suggestion that USAPA, the nonprofit association, exists to represent them in the SLI process.
 
As the West Pilots have stated on numerous occasions in the past, and most recently in the arbitration in Washington, DC earlier this month, they do not want or recognize the East Pilots as representing them in any seniority process. Nor do they want any of their excess USAPA Union dues used for this purpose. So, as we have requested repeatedly in the past, please make sure that the four National Officers take all appropriate steps to ensure that the excess West Pilot dues money is not used against the seniority interests of the West Pilots.
 

Very truly yours,​

Marty​

 ​

 

 

Dear Marty:
 
I trust all is well with you and yours.  Give our regards to Roger and the rest over at AOL with the hope that the New Year continues to be the winner it has been for you these last ten years.  HA HA HA HA!!!
 
Very Truly Yours,
 
Brian.

 

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... pursuant to the rights and responsibilities of MB.

Anybody got the T-Minus clock?

T-14

 

[luvthe9]

Did Marty come clean yet? Did he tell you about "a former bargaining agent in a covered transaction"?

Don't spoil it for Marty he has few more millions to swindle AOL out of.