2014 Pilot Discussion

[A320 Driver]

IDK, it looks like the same proposal that management gave us before with the same 4% tacked on it everyone else got. Could we not make a case in arbitration for Green book with the 4% raise? The 3% is automatic effective January 1st. The only thing I see in play are the previously agreed to TAed items that had been negotiated already.

i appreciate the reads from the cooler heads...thank you very much. I'll pass on being lectured about what we "should have done" on the MOU...water over the dam.

 

[Phoenix]

Parker must buy the concessions (they are industry standard).

We pretty much must sell the concessions (they are industry standard).

We have established there will be a sale, now the only thing left is price... Will we sell for cheap, or go with industry standard (can we at least hold pretty close to the APA offer that is already significantly below industry standard?).

let the BOD know...

 

[PullUp]

Does anybody have the full proposal? Can you post it?
It's hard to form an opinion when you don't have the full story.
Cheers.

 

[luvthe9]

Merry Christmas to all, let's hope we get some good news soon!

 

[AWE Dog]

The company has some real problems with Green Book. Look at their wants. They didn't just offer the raise early out of the kindness of their hearts. The international domestic split in the east is an issue. Would it be reasonable by ground transportation for an east short call to show in 6 hours? I can just picture east scheduling trying to work with that.

 

[usabusdriver]

 
It will take at least 24 to 36 months to get the computers programmed to accept bids for LUS that meet the Green Book requirements to separate international and domestic flying.
 
You heard it first right here.
 
And you KNOW they will ignore it, say "grieve it" and stonewall the way they always have.

 
 
I believe it would happen when we all transition to Sabre and PBS in 14-18 months.

 

[A320 Driver]

I just read the analysis from John Owen. IMO, it's time to give this serious consideration.

 

[Redneck]

Doug Parker can eat my 5h1t.
 

 

[A320 Driver]

That showed a lot of class...
You're a pilot?

 

[Redneck]

That showed a lot of class...
You're a pilot?

Was...until I asked for help.

 

[A320 Driver]

Sorry they turned you down...

 

[nevergiveup]

Many of us will be retiring soon. Many of us want to vote on what will benefit our individual situation. But shouldn't we be looking at what will best help the new hires and their 30-40 year career?

 

[A320 Driver]

Many of us will be retiring soon. Many of us want to vote on what will benefit our individual situation. But shouldn't we be looking at what will best help the new hires and their 30-40 year career?

Very noble but let's hope the new hires enjoy an industry free of 911, free of multiple bankruptcies, free of multiple mergers, and every other kind of career reset imaginable.

I think a contract of the likes we are talking leaves the new hires with as bright a future as they could imagine.

 

[MetalMover]

IDK, it looks like the same proposal that management gave us before with the same 4% tacked on it everyone else got. Could we not make a case in arbitration for Green book with the 4% raise? The 3% is automatic effective January 1st. The only thing I see in play are the previously agreed to TAed items that had been negotiated already.

i appreciate the reads from the cooler heads...thank you very much. I'll pass on being lectured about what we "should have done" on the MOU...water over the dam.

Why even mention the 4%? After all it was given in the name of "shared success" to some rather than all.

 

[A320 Driver]

I get your point, but after reading John Owen's financial breakdown of the latest offer, I am hopeful the BOD will send it out for a vote.
 
Merry Christmas!