2014 Pilot Discussion

[EastUS1]

My God you're a blathering douch bag. That 98% vote was to kill off your fake Union. It worked. If you're to drunk or stupid understand the implications of this particular arbitration, not my problem.

 
1) A minor point of curiosity then: Why did the west immediately sue after overwhelmingly voting in favor of the MOU? Was this all really part of some "brilliant strategy" or just yet more demonstrative proof of collective idiocy?
 
2) "That 98% vote was to kill off your fake Union. It worked." Really? Then why are "you'se" needing to fret over even getting yourselves independent representation for the upcoming SLI process?
 
"...not my problem." A good thing that, since you so clearly evidence enough issues and problems to hardly be in a postion to benefit from any more.
 
No need to get yourself so thoroughly wrapped around the axle kid, unless you sadly imagine such to be a "normal" state of conciousness, of course.

 

[luvthe9]

My God you're a blathering douch bag. That 98% vote was to kill off your fake Union.

Did not work out to well for you, too bad. Now step away from the edge, just accept you got crushed, you lost its over, NO NIC EVER, you have lost and wasted so much money, your locked in PHX with no future...........you know what go ahead and jump!!



PS. That fake union really cleaned your clock.

 

[luvthe9]

Found on the Internet.........


This latest move by the company offering 4% raises across the board while exempting the pilots because we have not finalized a contract and taking our dispute to arbitration is just another set of moves in this game of chess we are playing with management.

The company still needs seven items to be more competitive. That hasn't changed. On the other hand, if we find that negotiating with management does not benefit us, we can simply walk away from negotiations and the arbitration ends. The company STILL will need those items it has asked for but we get a 3% raise January 1st, regardless.

For those that think we should take the offer that has been made and are not happy with how negotiations are going and you voted for the MOU, remember you are getting the exactly the terms you voted for. That is just one reason I was against the MOU. There are other reasons, but I will get to them at another time.

Rest assured, this is not over. So don't let what you think is a set back in negotiations influence your belief that we are somehow making a mistake. Negotiations are a "give and take." You should never be afraid of walking away from the table if you don't like the deal. On the other hand, know your strengths and your opponent's weaknesses and play to both. In the end, I believe we will prevail for better terms.




THAT THIRD PARAGRAPH, SO TRUE?

 

[nycbusdriver]

I would say no need for arbitration,well just take the Green Book. Make sure you spilt the international and domestic East flying ASAP.

 
It will take at least 24 to 36 months to get the computers programmed to accept bids for LUS that meet the Green Book requirements to separate international and domestic flying.
 
You heard it first right here.
 
And you KNOW they will ignore it, say "grieve it" and stonewall the way they always have.

 

[Pi brat]

 
It will take at least 24 to 36 months to get the computers programmed to accept bids for LUS that meet the Green Book requirements to separate international and domestic flying.
 
You heard it first right here.
 
And you KNOW they will ignore it, say "grieve it" and stonewall the way they always

Who's to say we will need an international division at LUS. Has that crossed anyone's mind?

 

[Pi brat]

This is LOA 93 all over again. No matter which road we choose, the pilots will be spending the next 5 years blaming each other for the outcome while the company wins no matter which way we go. Do we never learn?

 

[luvthe9]

This is LOA 93 all over again. No matter which road we choose, the pilots will be spending the next 5 years blaming each other for the outcome while the company wins no matter which way we go. Do we never learn?

Those that voted for the MOU sealed our fate, that's who you should blame.

 

[Pi brat]

Those that voted for the MOU sealed our fate, that's who you should blame.

Well, that would be me. So, if we'd turned down the MOU, things would be different now?

 

[luvthe9]

Well, that would be me. So, if we'd turned down the MOU, things would be different now?

Well don't complain about being on LOA93 again and losing all our int'l flying which I think also will go to AA.

 

[luvthe9]

Well, that would be me. So, if we'd turned down the MOU, things would be different now?

"For those that think we should take the offer that has been made and are not happy with how negotiations are going and you voted for the MOU, remember you are getting the exactly the terms you voted for. That is just one reason I was against the MOU. There are other reasons, but I will get to them at another time"




Remember, we have no say in anything and are just along for the ride.

 

[A320 Driver]

What the hell do you want???
To be elevated to sainthood???
 
We've seen this same post from you over and over... we get it. You are a real trip dude...

 

[luvthe9]

What the hell do you want???
To be elevated to sainthood???
 
We've seen this same post from you over and over... we get it. You are a real trip dude...

Just a Delta contract, not worthy of sainthood by any means, unlike you I feel this group has paid over and over and deserves nothing more nothing less, but we all know you don't get what you deserve you get what you negotiate, which we have not done to well, if you don't like the post don't read it, simple......dude!

 

[Piedmont1984]

I think most pilots can show their displeasure, or withhold their enthusiasm for 27% more pay just as easily as they can for MTA rates. Why let the company keep the money? This is business, leave the emotion out of it. Take the money and be unhappy or leave it on the table and be unhappy. I can be unhappy with a fatter wallet.

BTW, I voted no on the MOU.

BBTW, I have read nothing indicating the permanent injunction has been lifted.

'84

 

[Pi brat]

Well don't complain about being on LOA93 again and losing all our int'l flying which I think also will go to AA.

That's my point to all the guys that are saying that AA will have to immediately have to establish international and domestic divisions. Maybe not.
 
My reason for voting for the MOU was that the company and the APA went off without us. We could have voted no, stayed on LOA 93 until the APA had single carrier status, and then have it shoved down our throats, or join them last year. It wasn't an easy decision for me, and we cannot know if I was right or not. Just like LOA 93. Would we have been around to argue about it? Probably, but we cannot know what we would have gotten.
 
Part of me wants to see this through to the end. Go to arbitration and see what happens. If we learn from that, it would probably serve me well with 15+ years to go, but not our new hires and guys retiring in the next 5-7 years. But, we never seem to learn. We are watching the AA pilots make the same mistakes we did. Will the next group do the same? I imagine so, after all they're pilots!
 
Looks like I won't have to make a decision this time, the BOD will do it for me. So I too can join the I told you so club.

 

[Pi brat]

Oh wait! On that I told you so club, where are the gazillion E190s we heard about?