2014 Pilot Discussion

[luvthe9]

. We are watching the AA pilots make the same mistakes we did. Will the next group do the same? I imagine so, after all they're pilots!
 
Looks like I won't have to make a decision this time, the BOD will do it for me. So I too can join the I told you so club.

The APA is as dysfunctional if not more the USAPA, all you have to do is read the various base letter updates, especially LAX. Like I said we're along for the ride.

 

[luvthe9]

Oh wait! On that I told you so club, where are the gazillion E190s we heard about?

They will becoming if we cave in on the rate the company wants, they would be crazy not get a ton of them

 

[Pi brat]

They will becoming if we cave in on the rate the company wants, they would be crazy not get a ton of them

What will be the rate on those if we go to arbitration? If it's lower, won't that make it even more attractive?

 

[luvthe9]

What will be the rate on those if we go to arbitration? If it's lower, won't that make it even more attractive?

Maybe, maybe not I would think they would have to consider the JB 190 rates.

 

[Pi brat]

Maybe, maybe not I would think they would have to consider the JB 190 rates.

Based on what? One of us is really confused by what arbitration will mean for us.

 

[AWE Dog]

Be ready for the let my Daddy Vote crowd. Green Book

 

[Claxon]

Company negotiators saying take or leave it on their offer, how quintessential.
 
Keep wearing those american airlines lanyards pilots.  On your off time maybe you can stroll in front of Joe's Diner with a Eat At Joe's sign, at least you will be paid, advertising for those that live in the luxury of your sweat equity. 
 

 

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http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/701345/000119312513057505/d484344dex991.htm

 

[fr8tmastr]

 
 
My reason for voting for the MOU was that the company and the APA went off without us. We could have voted no, stayed on LOA 93 until the APA had single carrier status, and then have it shoved down our throats, or join them last year. It wasn't an easy decision for me, and we cannot know if I was right or not. Just like LOA 93. Would we have been around to argue about it? Probably, but we cannot know what we would have gotten.
 
 
You forgot all the successorship language we had in our contract, you think there might be a reason that this was the first and really only thing the company wanted gone above all else?  That language was strong, it survived two bankruptcy's and a price was paid by all the pilots to keep it.  It was worth something.
 
One of the major tenants of the RLA is the "Duty to treat with no other".  This was completely ignored by the company, and equally ignored by USAPA. 
Yes, what the company did by talking to the APA and making an agreement with them that dictated our work rules without USAPA present is in direct violation of Managements duty to "Treat with no other"  Coming to USAPA after the fact doesn't cut it.  Don't believe it??  Remember Judge Silvers decision and what she told the West pilots?
As long as the unions allow illegal activity to go on, and in our case, enable it, we have no chance.
The fix was in since day one.

 

[Claxon]

 

 
 
My reason for voting for the MOU was that the company and the APA went off without us. We could have voted no, stayed on LOA 93 until the APA had single carrier status, and then have it shoved down our throats, or join them last year. It wasn't an easy decision for me, and we cannot know if I was right or not. Just like LOA 93. Would we have been around to argue about it? Probably, but we cannot know what we would have gotten.
 
 
You forgot all the successorship language we had in our contract, you think there might be a reason that this was the first and really only thing the company wanted gone above all else?  That language was strong, it survived two bankruptcy's and a price was paid by all the pilots to keep it.  It was worth something.
 
One of the major tenants of the RLA is the "Duty to treat with no other".  This was completely ignored by the company, and equally ignored by USAPA. 
Yes, what the company did by talking to the APA and making an agreement with them that dictated our work rules without USAPA present is in direct violation of Managements duty to "Treat with no other"  Coming to USAPA after the fact doesn't cut it.  Don't believe it??  Remember Judge Silvers decision and what she told the West pilots?
As long as the unions allow illegal activity to go on, and in our case, enable it, we have no chance.
The fix was in since day one.

 

"Pursuant to the Court’s resolution of the motions for summary judgment,
IT IS ORDERED Counts I and III of the complaint are dismissed and judgment is
entered in favor of US Airline Pilots Association on Count II of the complaint. US Airline
Pilots Association’s seniority proposal does not breach its duty of fair representation
provided it is supported by a legitimate union purpose.
DATED this 11th day of October, 2012.
 
Judge Silver

 

[Phoenix]

It will take at least 24 to 36 months to get the computers programmed to accept bids for LUS that meet the Green Book requirements to separate international and domestic flying.
 
You heard it first right here.
 
And you KNOW they will ignore it, say "grieve it" and stonewall the way they always have.

An arbitration panel will stipulate the implementation timeline... And for that reason alone Parker will never allow an arbitration to reach conclusion.. Though I doubt Glass will have any trouble delivering a pilot capitulation far sooner than any arb could even begin much less finish.

 

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Ahh...what a great trip down memory lane.  Go to the end of the presentation and read what FORMER APA President David Bates had to say.  

 

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My reason for voting for the MOU was that the company and the APA went off without us. We could have voted no, stayed on LOA 93 until the APA had single carrier status, and then have it shoved down our throats, or join them last year. It wasn't an easy decision for me, and we cannot know if I was right or not. Just like LOA 93. Would we have been around to argue about it? Probably, but we cannot know what we would have gotten.
 
 
You forgot all the successorship language we had in our contract, you think there might be a reason that this was the first and really only thing the company wanted gone above all else?  That language was strong, it survived two bankruptcy's and a price was paid by all the pilots to keep it.  It was worth something.
 
One of the major tenants of the RLA is the "Duty to treat with no other".  This was completely ignored by the company, and equally ignored by USAPA. 
Yes, what the company did by talking to the APA and making an agreement with them that dictated our work rules without USAPA present is in direct violation of Managements duty to "Treat with no other"  Coming to USAPA after the fact doesn't cut it.  Don't believe it??  Remember Judge Silvers decision and what she told the West pilots?
As long as the unions allow illegal activity to go on, and in our case, enable it, we have no chance.
The fix was in since day one.

 

Yes.  How the labor unions at AMR backstabbed the US Airways unions and saying we can do this without them.
 
Now look at it.  The "Great Mississippi Divide" pits East vs. West again.  12 East to 10 West (I know DFW is West of the River but liberal ORD is just East so just envision the "Mighty Mississippi" changed course).
 
But here is the reality:  Management "shock troops" (West) know from experience to get what your given.  The David Bates old core of APA hard line is simply a thing of the past.  Don't get me wrong, I wish the old days unity were here but its not.  And when the APA is found they won't be able to appoint a West merger committee just watch managements "Western Shock Troops" unify for the backdoor push.

 

[Phoenix]

T-22

 

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T-22

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