2014 Pilot Discussion

[Glenn Quagmire]

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/author/tmaxon/

""The MTA rates provide an increase of 3% on January 1, 2015, followed by moving to the average of Delta and United on January 1, 2016. Since both Delta and United have pilot contracts in place that do not become amendable until near or after this date (DL: 12/31/15, UA: 1/31/17), it is possible to calculate a reasonable estimate for this increase today.

We estimate the 1/1/16 pay rate increase for our pilots under the current contract will be approximately 13%. There are additional 3.5% increases in January of 2017 and 2018.

He then contrasted those numbers with what the company has offered in its last proposal.

Our offer now includes a pay scale that provides pilots with increases of approximately 23% upon signing, bringing Americans pilots to rates 7% higher on average than Deltas rates. This increase would be effective for the current Decembers bid period and we have told the APA we will maintain that effective date if the offer is accepted prior to January 3, 2015.

If the offer is accepted after that date but before arbitration, the higher pay rates would be effective in the bid period following such an agreement. Under the offer, this initial pay increase would be followed by an annual 3% increase every January from 2015 through 2019.

So, as it relates to near-term pay increases, our offer would increase pay rates by 23% in December 2014, 3% in January 2015 and 3% in January 2016 while the existing contract would increase rates by 0% in December 2014, 3% in January 2015 and approximately 13% in January 2016."


Is what he is reporting in dispute?

 

[Phoenix]

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/author/tmaxon/

""The MTA rates provide an increase of 3% on January 1, 2015, followed by moving to the average of Delta and United on January 1, 2016. Since both Delta and United have pilot contracts in place that do not become amendable until near or after this date (DL: 12/31/15, UA: 1/31/17), it is possible to calculate a reasonable estimate for this increase today.

We estimate the 1/1/16 pay rate increase for our pilots under the current contract will be approximately 13%. There are additional 3.5% increases in January of 2017 and 2018.

He then contrasted those numbers with what the company has offered in its last proposal.

Our offer now includes a pay scale that provides pilots with increases of approximately 23% upon signing, bringing Americans pilots to rates 7% higher on average than Deltas rates. This increase would be effective for the current Decembers bid period and we have told the APA we will maintain that effective date if the offer is accepted prior to January 3, 2015.

If the offer is accepted after that date but before arbitration, the higher pay rates would be effective in the bid period following such an agreement. Under the offer, this initial pay increase would be followed by an annual 3% increase every January from 2015 through 2019.

So, as it relates to near-term pay increases, our offer would increase pay rates by 23% in December 2014, 3% in January 2015 and 3% in January 2016 while the existing contract would increase rates by 0% in December 2014, 3% in January 2015 and approximately 13% in January 2016."


Is what he is reporting in dispute?

 
 
"I know that the captain upgrades will be delayed do to our INT/DOM concession, and we will have fewer wide body pilots on our trips due to HBT eliminations, but can we get another 5% pay raise if we also give you another 5 seats on scope? How about 10% for 10 seats?  
 
Please?  Please?"
 
What he is reporting is not even half the story about what he is demanding in concessions to pay for all the raises.   

 

[Phoenix]

Recall the APA or USAPA LLC Reps?

 
 
When he gets to CLT its up to him.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

"I know that the captain upgrades will be delayed do to our INT/DOM concession, and we will have fewer wide body pilots on our trips due to HBT eliminations, but can we get another 5% pay raise if we also give you another 5 seats on scope? How about 10% for 10 seats?  
 
Please?  Please?"
 
What he is reporting is not even half the story about what he is demanding in concessions to pay for all the raises.

Thank you.

 

[end_of_alpa]

"I know that the captain upgrades will be delayed do to our INT/DOM concession, and we will have fewer wide body pilots on our trips due to HBT eliminations, but can we get another 5% pay raise if we also give you another 5 seats on scope? How about 10% for 10 seats?  
 
Please?  Please?"
 
What he is reporting is not even half the story about what he is demanding in concessions to pay for all the raises.

Does it matter? 99.9% of the people reading this are people OTHER THAN PILOTS. they don't "feel our pain". Hate to break it to you.

 

[Phoenix]

Thank you.

 
 
2 for me, 1 for you...
2 for me, 1 for you...
2 for me, 1 for you..
3 for me, 2 for you..
1 for me, 0 for you..
2 for me, 1 for you..
5 for me, 1 from you..

 

[Phoenix]

Does it matter? 99.9% of the people reading this are people OTHER THAN PILOTS. they don't "feel our pain". Hate to break it to you.

 
 
I would bet 95% of the people reading these posts are pilots, and 99.9% posting are pilots, but if they are not our vote is none of their business.  Their opinion doesn't affect my decision.   

 

[AWE Dog]

I would say no need for arbitration,well just take the Green Book. Make sure you spilt the international and domestic East flying ASAP.

 

[nevergiveup]

I would say no need for arbitration,well just take the Green Book. Make sure you spilt the international and domestic East flying ASAP.

Agreed. What is the time frame for splitting the flying? More captain positions is always good!

 

[EastUS1]

....Only a fool would want this to goto arbitration at this point.

 
What? How's that again? I couldn't possibly have read that right, since it's been essentially asserted by the west for 7 years now that arbitration's a magically pure process, the arbitrators themselves both wise and infallible, and is perhaps the most noble of all human endeavors, forever guaranteed to produce a "fair and equitable" result. What's suddenly changed?

 

[Metroyet]

What? How's that again? I couldn't possibly have read that right, since it's been essentially asserted by the west for 7 years now that arbitration's a magically pure process, the arbitrators themselves both wise and infallible, and is perhaps the most noble of all human endeavors, forever guaranteed to produce a "fair and equitable" result. What's suddenly changed?

This time you know the outcome via the MOU. Beyond a shadow of a doubt.

 

[EastUS1]

This time you know the outcome via the MOU. Beyond a shadow of a doubt.

 
Umm...could that possibly be the very same MOU the west cast their  vote 98% in favor of, with the usually implicit assumption of it somehow, instantly conferring the Nic on "sparta" of course?
 
Still in all; I find your suddenly developed, lack of any apparent faith in the purity of "process" disturbing. Metroyet, on 22 Dec 2014 - 04:05 AM, said: "These arbs are a lot smarter than you're hoping." 
 
Btw; "you know the outcome...... Beyond a shadow of a doubt." never truly applies to any future conditions or events in this world of ours. I'd have thought you might have noticed that by now.

 

[nevergiveup]

A320 just passed out!

 

[luvthe9]

American and Southwest............http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/12/23/2-planes-clip-wings-on-the-ground-at-laguardia-airport/

 

[Metroyet]

Umm...could that possibly be the very same MOU the west cast their  vote 98% in favor of, with the usually implicit assumption of it somehow, instantly conferring the Nic on "sparta" of course?
 
Still in all; I find your suddenly developed, lack of any apparent faith in the purity of "process" disturbing. Metroyet, on 22 Dec 2014 - 04:05 AM, said: "These arbs are a lot smarter than you're hoping." 
 
Btw; "you know the outcome...... Beyond a shadow of a doubt." never truly applies to any future conditions or events in this world of ours. I'd have thought you might have noticed that by now.

My God you're a blathering douch bag. That 98% vote was to kill off your fake Union. It worked. If you're to drunk or stupid understand the implications of this particular arbitration, not my problem.