2014 Pilot Discussion

[Phoenix]

30 years? Oh...right. I forgot. You like to play this bizarre Internet charade Courtney. You know, the one where you pretend to be super senior. Got it. Whose "we" in the sli representation anyway? Surly you're not actually believing that some LLC in NC that has zero DFR responsibilities and was barred from participating by a Federal Judge (without APA permission) is going to dictate so much as a lunch menu going forward. Keep practicing the charade. Jess sank your fake former union in the mini arb. Better bring your "A" liar game to the next one. These arbs are a lot smarter than you're hoping.

T-26

 

[end_of_alpa]

T-26

I think it's T-24.  The Protocol agreement states 30 days from the START of the PAB which would be the 15th of Dec.  NO?

 

[nevergiveup]

I don't expect any arbitrator to hang his or herself out on a limb and award the west group representation. APA will be covered for any DFR as saying they tried to help get the west group representation. The west should sue ALPA! (tis a wee bit too late for that.) And as there is no clause requiring a contract for implementation, and metro believes anything that comes out of an arbitrator's mouth is fair, then everyone should be happy with the results! 
 
(but Marty will be collecting money for a long time after this) Marty=the real winner! $$$$$

 

[Phoenix]

I think it's T-24.  The Protocol agreement states 30 days from the START of the PAB which would be the 15th of Dec.  NO?

Yes.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Yes.

Just needed to make sure we synchronized our watches.  I think it will come out before the ball falls.

 

[end_of_alpa]

I don't expect any arbitrator to hang his or herself out on a limb and award the west group representation. APA will be covered for any DFR as saying they tried to help get the west group representation. The west should sue ALPA! (tis a wee bit too late for that.) And as there is no clause requiring a contract for implementation, and metro believes anything that comes out of an arbitrator's mouth is fair, then everyone should be happy with the results! 
 
(but Marty will be collecting money for a long time after this) Marty=the real winner! $$$$$

 




[SIZE=12pt]"And, you know, I mean, having heard this, I can't help but make the comment that, given all the rancor and animus over the last years of my -- I, for one, on this Board am very pleased that this opportunity has arisen with American Airlines, that we're in a new day, and that it provides such a great opportunity for everybody going ahead to do the right thing and to move ahead constructively. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]The industry has too much of a history of booms followed by busts and disasters to let go of this great opportunity. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]With that comment, I thank you for your presentations and your excellent advocacy."[/SIZE]

 

[Claxon]

"And, you know, I mean, having heard this, I can't help but make the comment that, given all the rancor and animus over the last years of my -- I, for one, on this Board am very pleased that this opportunity has arisen with American Airlines, that we're in a new day, and that it provides such a great opportunity for everybody going ahead to do the right thing and to move ahead constructively. [/size]
The industry has too much of a history of booms followed by busts and disasters to let go of this great opportunity. [/size]
With that comment, I thank you for your presentations and your excellent advocacy."[/size]

The serpent known as Leonidas will finally have its head cut off soon. The unrequited greed of Eric Ferguson vanquished. The time has finally come.

 

[Metroyet]

The serpent known as Leonidas will finally have its head cut off soon. The unrequited greed of Eric Ferguson vanquished. The time has finally come.

Meds Mikey...Meds.

 

[Claxon]

Meds Mikey...Meds.

For sure. A nice glass of red to toast that day that will soon come.

 

[A320 Driver]

You guys are a lot more confidant than I am. These are arbitrators... anything can happen.

 

[Phoenix]

You guys are a lot more confidant than I am. These are arbitrators... anything can happen.

The underlying premise of the APA is their notion of their own DFR trumps the obligations of the MB Statute (including the arbitrators obligation to follow MB).

MB is the fair process by definition. The arbitrators cannot allow the APA to substitute their own ideas inplace of the statute, else it would be unfair by definition.

 

[Metroyet]

The underlying premise of the APA is their notion of their own DFR trumps the MB Statute.

The MB Statute and DFR Are basically the same thing. It's all about a fair process...something that USAPA wants like a hole in the head.

 

[Phoenix]

The MB Statute and DFR Are basically the same thing. It's all about a fair process...something that USAPA wants like a hole in the head.

"Basically the same".... That is Metrospeak for "implicit assumption"... Swing and a miss.

 

[end_of_alpa]

The MB Statute and DFR Are basically the same thing. It's all about a fair process...something that USAPA wants like a hole in the head.

No, they are certainly NOT.  
 
DFR inures to the Representative.  (RLA)
Breach of Contract inures to the Company.  (RLA)
Manifest disregard of the Law inures to the Arbitrators.  (M-B statutory)
 
Seniority was carved out of the RLA as a result of M-B.  That is something that Wilder was closing with and that is the danger the reputation the Arbitrators have to deal with:  If they disregard the LAW of the Statute then they violate (manifest disregard of the law) the statute and risk the District court over-turning their decision.
 
Wilder got that message across.  So was Kennedy trying to block that threat in his closing arguments.
 
Thats the way it works.

 

[Metroyet]

Get your next lawsuit together, you're going to need it.