2014 Pilot Discussion

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Phoenix said:
The underlying premise of the APA is their notion of their own DFR trumps the obligations of the MB Statute (including the arbitrators obligation to follow MB).

MB is the fair process by definition. The arbitrators cannot allow the APA to substitute their own ideas inplace of the statute, else it would be unfair by definition.
Yep.  Simplified, but yes.
 
A320 Driver said:
You guys are a lot more confidant than I am. These are arbitrators... anything can happen.
Wilder briefed and argued the law.
 
The APA and the Company argued DFR (which they are absolved of when the arbitrators don't award them the ability to appoint a separate committee).
 
AOL was an emotional appeal.
 
I don't think this is a difficult decision.
 
end_of_alpa said:
Wilder briefed and argued the law.
 
The APA and the Company argued DFR (which they are absolved of when the arbitrators don't award them the ability to appoint a separate committee).
 
AOL was an emotional appeal.
 
I don't think this is a difficult decision.
"It's a new day." :)

The west will finally be able to choose to participate in their representation pursuant to MB, without any mixed messages from anyone.
 
Metroyet said:
The MB Statute and DFR Are basically the same thing. It's all about a fair process...something that USAPA wants like a hole in the head.
Familiar west pilot predictions:

The Nic is it
Judge Wake will get you
The 9 th will get you
Andy Jacobs will win and get you
The Company will get you
Judge Silver will get you
ALPA will get you
Marty will get you
Leonidas will get you
The new American will get you
Ed James will get you
The APA will get you
Now, the arbitrators will get you.......
 
Phoenix said:
"It's a new day." :)

The west will finally be able to choose to participate in their representation pursuant to MB, without any mixed messages from anyone.
Heres the other problem, if the Arbitrators go down the road the AOL, Company, APA want, what happens to the INTENT of the law and the ensuing consequences of subgroups that want their own seat in the future?  Will the eviceration of the Statute strip Congress of the intent of the law and cause havoc in the next merger?  What did the AOL PROVE that USAPA couldn't represent their interests when they already voted away their right to the Nicolau award and then demonstrated that they continuously stonewalled USAPA with a recalcitrant "Nic or nothing" attitude?  Doesn't USAPA get THEIR day in court to negotiate under the Protocol Agreement of which the class and craft they LEGALLY represented before the NMB certification change under M-B?
 
Metroyet said:
30 years? Oh...right. I forgot. You like to play this bizarre Internet charade Courtney. You know, the one where you pretend to be super senior. Got it. Whose "we" in the sli representation anyway? Surly you're not actually believing that some LLC in NC that has zero DFR responsibilities and was barred from participating by a Federal Judge (without APA permission) is going to dictate so much as a lunch menu going forward. Keep practicing the charade. Jess sank your fake former union in the mini arb. Better bring your "A" liar game to the next one. These arbs are a lot smarter than you're hoping.
Sorry son, more like coming up on 33 years but whose counting, but we all luv you think I'm Courtney and Clax is Cleary, we all get a laugh at that, now run along skippy and ponder why you did not want the NIC when it was offered to you, must feel really stupid now I bet, oh well!



It must really suck to be you, we feel sorry you can't accept reality.
 
Claxon said:
Familiar west pilot predictions:
The Nic is it
Judge Wake will get you
The 9 th will get you
Andy Jacobs will win and get you
The Company will get you
Judge Silver will get you
ALPA will get you
Marty will get you
Leonidas will get you
The new American will get you
Ed James will get you
The APA will get you
Now, the arbitrators will get you.......



Tic Toc........Tic Toc.......Tic Toc
 
end_of_alpa said:
Heres the other problem, if the Arbitrators go down the road the AOL, Company, APA want, what happens to the INTENT of the law and the ensuing consequences of subgroups that want their own seat in the future?  Will the eviceration of the Statute strip Congress of the intent of the law and cause havoc in the next merger?  What did the AOL PROVE that USAPA couldn't represent their interests when they already voted away their right to the Nicolau award and then demonstrated that they continuously stonewalled USAPA with a recalcitrant "Nic or nothing" attitude?  Doesn't USAPA get THEIR day in court to negotiate under the Protocol Agreement of which the class and craft they LEGALLY represented before the NMB certification change under M-B?
The statute will be followed. The whole dog and pony show from Wake to now has been to placate the unreasonable. The period of placating is just about over.

"It's a new day."
 
luvthe9 said:
That might be right, but we gave nothing back and like Clax says a lot of people owe their upward movement to him.
luvthe9 said:
Sorry son, more like coming up on 33 years but whose counting, but we all luv you think I'm Courtney and Clax is Cleary, we all get a laugh at that, now run along skippy and ponder why you did not want the NIC when it was offered to you, must feel really stupid now I bet, oh well!



It must really suck to be you, we feel sorry you can't accept reality.
What did Claxon do to deserve credit for upward movement?
 
EastCheats said:
What did Claxon do to deserve credit for upward movement?
What did Eric Ferguson do to deserve credit for upward movement?
Answer? Nothing. There is no upward movement in PHX. Dave O Dell can tell you that..
If you catch Eric slinking through the terminal to his jet, ask him why he turned down the Nicolau with fences which would now be gone.
 
Claxon said:
You have been right for so many years, well past the 8 year fence offer.  It is not available any more.  Angry west f/o club member, bohica.
 
New hires on the East side are Captains and wide body f/o's.
 
Whats in your bid wallet west genius?
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_JfNjHPwf8
Cap'n Aux narrates possibly the strangest of Cat 3 Brice Le Carre productions.......
Notice the Mike Cleary fetish Aux displays in his dart game and other videos.
 
Claxon said:
What did Eric Ferguson do to deserve credit for upward movement?
Answer? Nothing. There is no upward movement in PHX. Dave O Dell can tell you that..
If you catch Eric slinking through the terminal to his jet, ask him why he turned down the Nicolau with fences which would now be gone.
Ok.... The question has changed.

What did Claxon do to deserve credit for upward movement outside of Phoenix? Claxon that is..
 
EastCheats said:
What did Claxon do to deserve credit for upward movement?
I guess since you think he's Cleary, he crushed a AOL.


You should be going after Ferguson and Knootz, aka. dumb and dumber they screwed you over big time with all their lies.
 
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