2014 Pilot Discussion

[EastUS1]

Sure seems the APA boys are becoming fed up with Parker and seem to hold it against the AWA guys.

 
One can hardly be surprised at that, especially given the ample video evidence of so many of them licking Parker's shoe soles at every opportunity. Cue Johnny M. with his "should I turn them in?" and their court  jester Auxier with his "Football Fantasy" cheerleading for a company triumph in an injuction against all the pilots.

 

[Claxon]

A new hire pilot assigned to the PHX domicile has vastly different career expectations. A PHX assignment is a guaranteed A320 spot, nothing else. Virtually no movement. Reserve for years.
An east domicile means E190 Cap in 14 months, 330 right seat in less than two yrs. 320 Capt in less than 5 yrs.
The money lost due to a PHX assignment is staggering. A PHX. Captain will not see the 330 either for many years to come.
Eric Ferguson, a 2004 hire, is responsible for much of this. When you see Eric, ask him why he passed on the Nic . Ask him how a $675 dollar tie solves the west pilots problems.

 

[luvthe9]

A new hire pilot assigned to the PHX domicile has vastly different career expectations. A PHX assignment is a guaranteed A320 spot, nothing else. Virtually no movement. Reserve for years.
An east domicile means E190 Cap in 14 months, 330 right seat in less than two yrs. 320 Capt in less than 5 yrs.
The money lost due to a PHX assignment is staggering. A PHX. Captain will not see the 330 either for many years to come.
Eric Ferguson, a 2004 hire, is responsible for much of this. When you see Eric, ask him why he passed on the Nic . Ask him how a $675 dollar tie solves the west pilots problems.

You would think the west pilots would being suing AOL for damages.

 

[Claxon]

 

 

 

[Claxon]

america west airlines on the job management training for Parker and Kirby.  A learned response to employee negotiations.   If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
 
http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2010%2012%20Month%20Documents/Employees%20and%20Compensation/Pilots/Average%20Annual%20Wages%20and%20Salaries%20-%20PILOT%20AND%20CO-PILOT%20PERSONNEL.htm

 

[end_of_alpa]

 
Has the current BOD done anything as egregious as ALPA?  Do all of the current BOD members have a medical?    Did the president appoint a ballot certification committee chairman who also collected money for his election?
 
One of the current BOD members has a REALLY BIG mortgage and can't afford to fly less than a full month (I saw his post plainly saying exactly that before it got deleted on CR).    So what? 
 
None of the BOD is perfect, but their imperfection is not a reason to throw out the whole lot of them and the union altogether.... and more to the point, it sure as hell isn't any reason to hate them more than we oppose Glass and Parker for being dix.  A dislike or hatred of the transient leaders of a union is no reason to keep agreeing to more company requests for concessions.  

I didn't say I hated them.  I said I didn't trust them as of up to this point and I believe I have made my point with the bargain THEY made behind OUR backs with the proverbial "devil" and now they somehow want US to back them up?  Fat chance that has any effect in any case.  We got LOA 93.1 and I can live with it.  I guess the real question is whether the rank and file can.  Only time will tell.  See you in arbitration.

 

[Claxon]

"Parker's promotion, which is effective September 1, 2001, is the culmination of a succession plan formulated by William A. Franke and the board of directors over the past three years and follows Mr. Franke's advice to the board that he will retire from the company and the board.
 
"I am pleased and honored to succeed Bill Franke as chairman and chief executive officer of America West, and I look forward to the challenges and opportunities that lie ahead," said Parker. "America West today is an outstanding company with wonderful employees and a will to win. We will continue to build on the successes we have enjoyed under Bill's leadership."
 
"Doug has for more than two years been intimately involved in the key decisions at America West," said Franke. "His success in leading the turnaround of the airline's operations is particularly noteworthy. I am convinced he will provide the energy and commitment necessary for the long term success of America West."
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/america-west-names-doug-parker-chairman-and-ceo-franke-announces-retirement-after-nine-years-as-airline-chief-71811242.html

 

[luvthe9]

 

 

"In fact, in a recent corporate meeting at Delta called "Velvet 360" Delta's CEO Richard Anderson stated:

American is trying to mimic everything we do, but frankly they will never catch up to us, because they don't invest in their People.

Today, APA developed a proposal that invests in its pilots and we believe is the basis for a new agreement. We will soon know if management is serious about building a better relationship with its 15,000 pilots or rather be forever known as the team who replaced Tom Horton in name only."

 

[luvthe9]

Doug Parker"......................"American Airlines chairman and CEO Doug Parker was quoted as saying, in response to a question about profit-sharing: ...................Its just not the right way to pay 100,000 employees that dont have that much impact on the daily profits.



Richard Anderson.....................DELTA EMPLOYEES EARN $506 MILLION IN PROFIT SHARING FOR 2013 PERFORMANCE
FOURTH CONSECUTIVE YEAR AIRLINE PAYS PROFIT SHARING
$598 MILLION COMBINED TOTAL FOR PROFIT SHARING AND OPERATIONAL PERFORMANCE INCENTIVES IN 2013
Feb 14, 2014

ATLANTA, Feb. 14, 2014 /PRNewswire/ -- Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL) today will pay its employees more than a half-billion dollars in earned profit sharing the highest

"Thank you to Delta's nearly 80,000 people worldwide who made 2013 a banner year for Delta through the strong work ethic and values they demonstrate every day," said Delta CEO Richard Anderson. "This year's profit sharing payment is a reflection of their hard work and of our conviction that if we take care of our employees, they take care of our customers and that enables our shareowners to succeed."

Along with base pay, Delta provides employees with additional compensation elements like profit sharing, designed to allow employees to earn more when the company performs well. Additionally, Delta employees can earn monthly bonuses for meeting corporate operational goals throughout the year, known as Shared Rewards.

 

[luvthe9]

At Delta, we believe long-term success requires that our people, customers and investors win together, CEO Richard Anderson said in a letter sent to employees Wednesday. ...............................We have always been committed to sharing with employees the success they help create.




This is what a company does when it has a direct relationship with employees, said spokeswoman Kate Modolo. This is part of who we are. Were sharing these profits with our people.




"Last month, Delta got in its competitors faces, as CEO Richard Anderson touted Deltas profit sharing plan, which will return $1 billion to employees this year, while jabbing American and United. The former has no profit-sharing; the latter has less profit to share."

 

[Phoenix]

I didn't say I hated them.  I said I didn't trust them as of up to this point and I believe I have made my point with the bargain THEY made behind OUR backs with the proverbial "devil" and now they somehow want US to back them up?  Fat chance that has any effect in any case.  We got LOA 93.1 and I can live with it.  I guess the real question is whether the rank and file can.  Only time will tell.  See you in arbitration.

 
 
Don't kid yourself.  We don't have LOA 93 version 2, yet.  The membership has not yet declared mutiny against the BOD.  When the BOD votes to reject Parker's last best offer, Parker may very well systematically drive a wedge between the membership and the BOD, causing a $h!t$torm of discontent.  If he is successful, he will then offer to stop the pain if the BOD accepts LOA 93 version 2.   Isn't that how he got LOA 93 voted in the first time?
 
The pain is no where near being over.  The violations of our contract will magnify.  If we don't hold fast against the white flag amongst us, and if we don't extinguish those who set fire to our own camp, we will be routed.  Then we will get LOA 93 version 2.  
 
The APA got burned and they understand now.  We need to put aside the boxing gloves and save it for the SLI.  

 

[EastUS1]

Sure seems the APA boys are becoming fed up with Parker....

 
P.S. The only reasonable questions there are: What took them so long? How could they possibly not have done their due diligence homework on this management much, much earlier than seems the case? It's hardly as if there was any shortage of historical data....

 

[EastUS1]

 
The APA got burned and they understand now. 

 
Let's at least hope so.

 

[EastUS1]

A new hire pilot assigned to the PHX domicile has vastly different career expectations. A PHX assignment is a guaranteed A320 spot, nothing else. Virtually no movement. Reserve for years.
An east domicile means E190 Cap in 14 months, 330 right seat in less than two yrs. 320 Capt in less than 5 yrs.
The money lost due to a PHX assignment is staggering. A PHX. Captain will not see the 330 either for many years to come.

 
Hey, no problem! I've got the perfect solution to the west's woes. Simply take a "snapshot in time" and forever base everyone's (most certainly in PHX) "relative" seniority on it!...And let's not dare forget all those "career expectations" while we're at it. By all west accounts and Nic "logic" that would definitely constitute a "fair and equitable" outcome, especially based on what they "brought" to the merger.....Right?
 
"A PHX assignment is a guaranteed A320 spot, nothing else. Virtually no movement. Reserve for years. An east domicile means E190 Cap in 14 months, 330 right seat in less than two yrs. 320 Capt in less than 5 yrs." Why even bring that up, since it's the established postion of the west that no one's actually worked years should ever count for anything...Right? Hmm...perhaps they can get some arbitrator to agree with their ideas again, even to the extent of agreeing that the most senior west FO's should be forever placed below an eastern-domiciled, 14 month 190 captain...?
 
I think this is the part where some west pilot's supposed to jump in with yet another posting about the perils of "karma"....?

 

[end_of_alpa]

Don't kid yourself.  We don't have LOA 93 version 2, yet.  The membership has not yet declared mutiny against the BOD.  When the BOD votes to reject Parker's last best offer, Parker may very well systematically drive a wedge between the membership and the BOD, causing a $h!t$torm of discontent.  If he is successful, he will then offer to stop the pain if the BOD accepts LOA 93 version 2.   Isn't that how he got LOA 93 voted in the first time?
 
The pain is no where near being over.  The violations of our contract will magnify.  If we don't hold fast against the white flag amongst us, and if we don't extinguish those who set fire to our own camp, we will be routed.  Then we will get LOA 93 version 2.  
 
The APA got burned and they understand now.  We need to put aside the boxing gloves and save it for the SLI.  

The SLI. Oh THATS going to unite us.