2014 Pilot Discussion

[Al Legheny]

The APFA web site has a downloadable pdf, of the voting breakdown by domicile. Some domicile's have two sections, International and domestic.

US DCA voted it down.
MIA voted no,
SFO voted no,
BOS voted no,
CLT voted no,
LGA voted no,
STL voted no,


PHL voted yes by a small margin,
DFW voted yes by a small margin,
PHX voted yes by a wide margin,
ORD voted yes by a wide margin,
LAX voted yes by a wide margin.

 

[luvthe9]

After watching the DP video in Chicago, here is the summation for ALL employee contracts in the future:
1.  No profit sharing.
2. All will have the SAME medical plans and/or options.
3. Arbitration clauses in Labor contracts that LIMIT company liability for the companies future.
 
You can say what you want but the business plan for American will be the industry standard in the coming years for the labor groups in the future.
 
The company is waiting for today's outcome of the FA vote for their CBA.  It pays better than industry and the ONLY downside risk for the company is arbitration....which is in their favor because the arbitration CBA ask from the company is industry only.  Guess who wins that one?
 

 
I understand the forum over at APA is already discussing job actions.  That is not a WISE idea to even be discussing it there.  I guess the APA hasn't learned their lesson from the last $50 million dollar job action from several years ago.

Industry standard for the moment after Delta gets their deal will be behind as always, the kids over at the APA will never get close to a Delta contract, sure will get a few bucks and cave as always, they will give up the scope the way they started the B scale. Good luck getting a deal with this management. A job action might well be in order.

 

[nevergiveup]

Industry standard for the moment after Delta gets their deal will be behind as always, the kids over at the APA will never get close to a Delta contract, sure will get a few bucks and cave as always, they will give up the scope the way they started the B scale. Good luck getting a deal with this management. A job action might well be in order.

I don't believe a legal job action is possible in this situation. Could be wrong.

 

[end_of_alpa]

I don't believe a legal job action is possible in this situation. Could be wrong.

You're not.

 

[nevergiveup]

You're not.

Tell that to my wife!

 

[end_of_alpa]

Tell that to my wife!

Only if you tell mine!!

 

[Al Legheny]

USAPA is still under an injunction.

The question in this case is whether to vacate a permanent injunction issued by this Court two years ago to enjoin violations of the Railway Labor Act (RLA). The injunction was issued in response to a pattern of unlawful work stoppages perpetrated by Defendants in order to gain leverage in a collective bargaining dispute with the Plaintiff, US Airways, Inc. Defendants, a pilots union (USAPA) and its officer, were specifically enjoined from coordinating and conducting slowdown tactics such as delaying flight times by issuing superfluous maintenance write-ups and prolonging taxi times.

By contrast, US Airways contends that this motion, filed on the eve of negotiations for a joint collective bargaining agreement (JCBA), suggests an intent to resume a campaign of slowdown tactics; that compliance with the injunction is not burdensome as it merely mandates that Defendants refrain from behavior which they have no legal right to engage in; and that the injunction is necessary to the public interest to protect the flying public from delays and cancellations.

IV. CONCLUSION
IT IS, THEREFORE, ORDERED that:
1. Plaintiffs Motion to Vacate the Permanent Injunction (Doc. No. 93), is DENIED;
2. The Clerk of Court is directed to close this case.

Signed: June 13, 2014


Robert J. Conrad
United States District Judge

 

[AWE Dog]

I quess I shouldn't plan on 42 days Vacation that United has.

 

[luvthe9]

I quess I shouldn't plan on 42 days Vacation that United has.

Not with this pilot group, Geez we are only asking for 35, you'll be lucky if we don't end up going back to 21.

 

[Phoenix]

USAPA is still under an injunction.

The question in this case is whether to vacate a permanent injunction issued by this Court two years ago to enjoin violations of the Railway Labor Act (RLA). The injunction was issued in response to a pattern of unlawful work stoppages perpetrated by Defendants in order to gain leverage in a collective bargaining dispute with the Plaintiff, US Airways, Inc. Defendants, a pilots union (USAPA) and its officer, were specifically enjoined from coordinating and conducting slowdown tactics such as delaying flight times by issuing superfluous maintenance write-ups and prolonging taxi times.

By contrast, US Airways contends that this motion, filed on the eve of negotiations for a joint collective bargaining agreement (JCBA), suggests an intent to resume a campaign of slowdown tactics; that compliance with the injunction is not burdensome as it merely mandates that Defendants refrain from behavior which they have no legal right to engage in; and that the injunction is necessary to the public interest to protect the flying public from delays and cancellations.

IV. CONCLUSION
IT IS, THEREFORE, ORDERED that:
1. Plaintiffs Motion to Vacate the Permanent Injunction (Doc. No. 93), is DENIED;
2. The Clerk of Court is directed to close this case.

Signed: June 13, 2014


Robert J. Conrad
United States District Judge

 
So the injunction is superfluous , and eliminating the injunction would be a superfluous act of reducing superflousicity.... but it makes a $h!t lo@d of money for the lawyers and judges to be superfluously employed.  

 

[AWE Dog]

I get it, Industry leading America West style.

 

[Claxon]

I get it, Industry leading America West style.

Yes. You see the absolute junk they flew. You saw the videos. The america west group will undermine any effort for a contract if it does not include the now APA agreed dead Nic.

 

[nevergiveup]

Yes. You see the absolute junk they flew. You saw the videos. The america west group will undermine any effort for a contract if it does not include the now APA agreed dead Nic.

I bet the top third of Phoenix would go for it. It seems to be the bottom half that want the nic most. Can't blame em, what a deal that would be!

 

[Phoenix]

Word is the proposal is passed to the APA BOD. Mgmt says they are offering highest hourly rates and are not asking for the 5 additional seats... Says the 5 seats would be profitable and in everyone's best interest but building trust is more important... No word yet on grievance about paying East reserve pilots for working extra days. Devil in the details, but the Kirby letter did attempt to strike a positive tone... Allegedly trying to build trust..

The Kirby letter is on the APA C&R.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Scott Kirby's Letter to APA BOD: November 11, 2014
 
To: APA Board of Directors

Today the Company passed a comprehensive joint collective bargaining agreement (JCBA) proposal to APA that does not include the anticipated request for adding five seats to our larger regional jets. We have excluded that request, even though we believe it is in the Company’s best interest, in an effort to build much needed trust into our labor-management relations at the new American.

Most of you know that I strongly believe adding five more seats to these larger RJs is in the best interests of American Airlines and our pilots. Allowing our RJ providers to properly configure those jets with 81 seats, rather than being constrained to 76 per the APA contract, would increase the number of passengers flowing onto the mainline. And we know that more passengers flowing to the mainline is good for everyone at American including our pilots. My own conservative estimate is that adding these five seats would mean tens of millions of dollars in additional revenue annually to American. Equally important to the additional revenue, though, is that those five seats greatly enhance our network feed to grow the mainline – particularly in international markets.

We know there is a lot of history and skepticism around this issue that causes our pilots to believe this change would harm the careers of mainline pilots. Over the last several weeks, I’ve spent a lot of time talking with pilots and explained my macro-economic views about this issue. I’ve concluded through those conversations that most pilots, once they understand the economics today between RJs and the mainline, become more open to this change. However, economic rationale aside, given the prior history surrounding this issue, it is understandably difficult for our pilots to feel good about the request for five more seats today.

It seems the reason it is difficult to convince our pilots that this change is in their best interest – and not some nefarious scheme to harm them in some way – is because the pilots of American do not fully trust management. Given the history of labor relations at American and US Airways, we can appreciate why that feeling exists. But we want to change that perception and the entire leadership team at AA is working very hard to do so.

Trust is vital to our ability to move forward and build the greatest airline in the world – together. So, even though we believe the scope request is in the best interest of all involved, we believe that establishing trust with our employees is even more important. Today’s proposal omits a request to add five seats to the 76-seat jets as a sign of good faith to demonstrate the trust we want to build. Our proposal gives American pilots the highest pay rates amongst our large, network peers, and does so well before anyone could have contemplated. It is my hope that as we build a stronger, more trusting relationship that, together, we will be able to reach the best economic considerations for the 100,000 employees of American and the Company in the future.

So today we take an important step to jumpstart the trust-building process. We would ask each of you move forward in a similar spirit. Building the new American requires all of us to think differently about how we work together – your management team is committed to a new approach and we look forward to working with APA to restore American to greatness.

Sincerely,

/s/ Scott Kirby