2014 Pilot Discussion

[EastUS1]

Crickets chirping? It's the sound of the coming reality check.

 
We finally agree on something. I'd suggest safely isolating "you'se" self away from the world, high bridges/buildings, and even sharp instruments for awhile after that happens.

 

[CactusPilot1]

 
Then perhaps it's past time to graciously relinquish your childish fantasies of 2005.

Is that the best you can do? You sound like a broken record.

Another victim.  Past, present and future. 
 
Personal accountability, how quintessential. 

Ucrapa by definition screams a victim mentality.

 

[EastUS1]

Is that the best you can do? You sound like a broken record.
 

 
I'm not the one hopelessly wrapped-around-the-axle, and busting at the seams with anger over seniority integration in this latest merger. I've offered nothing more than simple observations and kindly suggestions tonight. Do with them as "you'se" will.
 
Have a fine evening, and try not to blow too many more gaskets out.

 

[CactusPilot1]

I'm not the one hopelessly wrapped-around-the-axle, and busting at the seams with anger over seniority integration in this latest merger. I've offered nothing more than simple observations and kindly suggestions tonight. Do with them as "you'se" will.
 
Have a fine evening, and try not to blow too many gaskets.

Thank you for your/ewes kindly suggestions.

 

[EastUS1]

Thank you for your/ewes kindly suggestions.

 
You're welcome. No charge.

 

[Phoenix]

On another note.... Welcome to the Vacation Shell Game!!!
 
Step right up and put your vacation under one of these lovely shells and we will spin them around and around, where we move it nobody knows.   We stop the shells, if you guess correctly where your vacation is... we will give you half of it back.

 

[traderjake]

I think the new vacation bidding is pretty straight forward.

 

[luvthe9]

I think the new vacation bidding is pretty straight forward.

Nobody cares what a Traitor thinks!!

 

[EastUS1]

I don't know of any other representation other than the APA.

 
So where exactly does that put the umm..."army" of leo-whatever then?
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSTd1LuiVUs

 

[traderjake]

Nobody cares what a Traitor thinks!!

 
I'll bid for you if you can't figure it out.
 
I know you have a lot of important stuff on your mind.  

 

[Phoenix]

I think the new vacation bidding is pretty straight forward.

 
Straight forward and flexible/reasonable are two different things.  
 
Putting bids in is explained very well, but the award processing scheme is not as clear.  
 
It is not said explicitly but it appears that a pilot can only be awarded a single vacation period per round.  ("[SIZE=11pt]As soon as any one of those selections is awarded, the system will discard all subsequent bids in that round and move on to the next pilot in seniority in the same status bidding on the same round.") --- [/SIZE]It does not appear to have several runs in a single round...
 
If a pilot must bid a selection consisting of vacation periods measured in weeks, and is only awarded a maximum of one selection per round, then a pilot can never have any vacation in more than four individual months of the year no matter how many "days" he has accrued.  
 
The system is very inflexible and I suspect that with the old system and SAP I was able to get more days off in more months than I will in the new system---but that is why we have the new system!    

 

[EastUS1]

 
I'm not the one hopelessly wrapped-around-the-axle, and busting at the seams with anger over seniority integration in this latest merger. I've offered nothing more than simple observations and kindly suggestions tonight. Do with them as "you'se" will.
 
Have a fine evening, and try not to blow too many more gaskets out.

 
Easily predictable "minus votes" from "spartans" I see. Here's a hint kids: Differing from a nonsensical/Fantasyland paradigm costs no one anything here.. ALL the stress, as was long ago noted ALL the risk, is entirely on your side. Deal with life as "you'se" will.
 
What's perhaps most laughable in current times, is the fact that the very same legal counsel that properly advised "you'se" that "All the risk lies with the west", is now the very same that you imagine will somehow "save" you.
 
As ever; thanks for the always dependable laughs. Seriously though; don't blow a gasket or pop a blood vessel over any of this. "You'se" have been given an amazing gift that precious few of you ever actually qualified for, a working place in the (at least for now) world's largest airline. Get over "you'se" selves and start enjoying life...or not, as your double-fisted-poking-slobbering "I hate all of you'se" type simians will have to evaluate things as "you'se" see fit. Do however, realize that your angry, infantile nonsense costs no one else anything at all...and no amount of self-endowed "righteousness" or fantasized "karma" will count for diddly squat in what's to come. Consider, for even a moment, just what grand gains your collective, mindless arrogance have achieved for "sparta" so far,....and those would be, umm..what, exactly?

 

[luvthe9]

Straight forward and flexible/reasonable are two different things.  
 
Putting bids in is explained very well, but the award processing scheme is not as clear.  
 
It is not said explicitly but it appears that a pilot can only be awarded a single vacation period per round.  ("As soon as any one of those selections is awarded, the system will discard all subsequent bids in that round and move on to the next pilot in seniority in the same status bidding on the same round.") --- It does not appear to have several runs in a single round...




 
If a pilot must bid a selection consisting of vacation periods measured in weeks, and is only awarded a maximum of one selection per round, then a pilot can never have any vacation in more than four individual months of the year no matter how many "days" he has accrued.  
 
The system is very inflexible and I suspect that with the old system and SAP I was able to get more days off in more months than I will in the new system---but that is why we have the new system!    

Sure seems we had a much better system then AA.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Sure seems we had a much better system then AA.

 
Being very (after 35 years) senior, I can truly say that the US system seemed much easier to figure out, and way more flexible.  But it gave all the best vacation to the most senior pilots.  The AA system at least "shares the wealth" a bit more, but the the system is so arcane it is not to be believed!  I wonder how they would feel if Parker foisted our ancient CATCREW system on them.
 
The float sounds intriguing, and maybe it will be something we love.  But until we actually see it in action, I am skeptical.  It sounds WAY too vulnerable to management interference, and this management team will take EVERY advantage if there is any in it for them.

 

[Pi brat]

Being very (after 35 years) senior, I can truly say that the US system seemed much easier to figure out, and way more flexible.  But it gave all the best vacation to the most senior pilots.  The AA system at least "shares the wealth" a bit more, but the the system is so arcane it is not to be believed!  I wonder how they would feel if Parker foisted our ancient CATCREW system on them.
 
The float sounds intriguing, and maybe it will be something we love.  But until we actually see it in action, I am skeptical.  It sounds WAY too vulnerable to management interference, and this management team will take EVERY advantage if there is any in it for them.

It's going to be interesting. I'm on my third read of the docs before I bid.

A least with their float you get paid for your vacation if you can't re bid it. I rolled the dice and canceled one of my glorious weeks in Feb. Never got it back.