2014 Pilot Discussion

[luvthe9]

You scabs didn't want the nic either, but you got it. You'll be thanking your lucky stars if that's all you end up with. The other thing morbidly obese lying scabs like you Courtney never understood is the fact that you don't get to decide. Either does the APA. This is going before the arbitration panel and the panic that knowledge strikes in to the heart of you zero-ethics, pricks is abundantly clear. AS IT SHOULD.
Watch the West pilots get advanced 20% up the nic list then folded into AMR. It's a distinct possibility....but judging from your collective scabs behavior, you already know that.

Doyal once again your a misinformed idiot, polygraph anyone?

Take some time and look at the master scab list, no east pilots on it only AWA scabs.

 

[EastCheats]

Definition of ARBITRATION
: a process of settling an argument or disagreement in which the people or groups on both sides present their opinions and ideas to a third person or group

• 
  Both parties have agreed to (go to) arbitration.
  
• 
  a dispute settled by arbitration

What good would any ARBITRATION be if APA sets a presidents to not use a binding agreement that both parties agreed the dispute be settled by arbitration. 
 
GOOD LUCK BOYS! YA need to learn to play nice in the sand box..

Bravo Travis, come back anytime.

 

[traderjake]

 
 
An arbitration panel could theoretically use the Nic to combine the East and West list relative to the 2005TA terms, or they could use DOH, or they could merge the status quo lists in effect in 2013, using methods of UAL/CAL and DAL/NWA (nahhh, never happen like that ).  

 
Your powers of perception serve you well.

 

[Piedmont1984]

An arbitration panel could theoretically use the Nic to combine the East and West list relative to the 2005TA terms,  

Which would entail an east/west/LCC JCBA brokered by USAPA and LCC, containing the Nic Award in Section 22 and ratified by the rank and file.

 

[EastCheats]

Which would entail an east/west/LCC JCBA brokered by USAPA and LCC, containing the Nic Award in Section 22 and ratified by the rank and file.

Wrong. USAPA LLC is not going to do anything for the West other than cough up funds.

You just don't get it. USAPA is gone, dead, out, finsihed, buried, irrelevant, discarded.

What don't you understand about the word, decertified?

 

[Piedmont1984]

Wrong. USAPA LLC is not going to do anything for the West other than cough up funds.

What I meant was, in order to comply with the nullified (per MOU) 2005 TA we would need a time machine.

 

[traderjake]

Which would entail an east/west/LCC JCBA brokered by USAPA and LCC, containing the Nic Award in Section 22 and ratified by the rank and file.

 
Be sure to mention that at the MB Arbitration, I think the arbiters will appreciate you telling them what they can and can't do in the creation the list.

 

[snapthis]

It's obvious the ties do bother you because you all keep bringing it up. Your problem is that you can't get away with your little schemes and Leonidas stands in your way. The APA knows your game and you are not to be trusted. Eastcheaters.

 
The tie sales and fundraising has gone very well since decertification. This is the end-game and the West will see this through. Obviously they know by walking through the terminal and hotel lobbies the support.
 

 

[Piedmont1984]

Be sure to mention that at the MB Arbitration, I think the arbiters will appreciate you telling them what they can and can't do in the creation the list.

Not saying what they can or cannot do. I am describing what their thought process and rationale would have to be.

 

[Phoenix]

 
Be sure to mention that at the MB Arbitration, I think the arbiters will appreciate you telling them what they can and can't do in the creation the list.

 
 
The point Piedmont1984 made was not a constraint on the MB panel, it was an acknowledgement that the Nic award was subject to contingencies in the 2005TA.  
 
By the way, an MB arbitration panel has no more implicit authority than the NIc arbitration did.  It has never been about the power of the arbitration.. it has always been about the means or path of reaching a ratified contract with an SLI established in said contract.  
 
It is not the MB arbitration panel that provides the contract, just as it was not Nicolau that provided a contract.   

 

[traderjake]

Not saying what they can or cannot do. I am describing what their thought process and rationale would have to be.

 
The more likey thought process would be my highly esteemed fellow arbiter George Nicolau already did 1/3 of the  work for me and I don't want to set the precendent of voiding his arbitration.

 

[Piedmont1984]

The more likey thought process would be my highly esteemed fellow arbiter George Nicolau already did 1/3 of the  work for me and I don't want to set the precendent of disregarding his Arbitration. So we are going to pretend the last several years never took place. USAPA and LCC still exist, they need to get a JCBA with the Nic Award imbedded in Section 22. The pilots then need to ratify such a contract. Let's do it.

There, I fixed it for you.

 

[Phoenix]

 
The more likey thought process would be my highly esteemed fellow arbiter George Nicolau already did 1/3 of the  work for me and I don't want to set the precendent of voiding his arbitration.

 
If arbitrators are quick to assume implicit realities from a different decade, and dubious to the contractual status quo, then surely you have some examples...

 

[traderjake]

By the way, an MB arbitration panel has no more implicit authority than the NIc arbitration did.  It has never been about the power of the arbitration.. it has always been about the means or path of reaching a ratified contract with an SLI established in said contract.     

 
Which is why the contract will be negotiated before the arbitration.

 

[A320 Driver]

An arbitration panel could theoretically use the Nic to combine the East and West list relative to the 2005TA terms, or they could use DOH, or they could merge the status quo lists in effect in 2013, using methods of UAL/CAL and DAL/NWA (nahhh, never happen like that ).  
 
Regardless of how they do it AOL will sell ties for years to come, and no one will win any lawsuits.  

According to the MOU, there is no 2005 TA.