2014 Pilot Discussion

[EastUS1]

 Another thought, I don't stand at the curb, scowl at East pilots, I'd rather strike up a conversation, something outside of what goes on here on this forum. This is the place to vent, grab that folding chair, knock each other over the head, not on the line or the jumpseat.

 
Agreed in full snap. We'll never have any argument over that much at least.

 

[EastUS1]

 
Claxon posting fewer than 5 times including an article from the last decade.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw4PHhLBbrU

 
Ah yes...Sigh!...That's our trader. Don't dare ever miss any chance to try to demean, back-stab and generally sell out your east coworkers of many years. Shouldn't you and chip be fearfully and feverishly working on yet another "brilliant" plan to sabotage any chances for seriously significant contractual improvements like you strove so diligently to do with the MOU? Isn't there a least one spare White Flag lying around somewhere that you two should forever be trying to raise? No matter. Overall, wherever you and chip are concerned "LT Hardy"?...Words just fail me...

 

[Barrister]

Snap,
 
Apples to bowling balls my man. AW was NEVER represented by a different union than the East pilots. WE have always been represented by the same union. . Totally agree that APA will take over for CBA purposes, but not for SLI purposes. We have a federal statute that will cover that.  US/APA/AMR all know this. Just more litigation that the East will win in another 2-3 years.
 
My question stands from previous posts. If USAPA was found not liable by Silver what makes you think APA will be found liable for not using NIC
.
NICDOA
NPJB  

 

[end_of_alpa]

Snap,
 
Apples to bowling balls my man. AW was NEVER represented by a different union than the East pilots. WE have always been represented by the same union. . Totally agree that APA will take over for CBA purposes, but not for SLI purposes. We have a federal statute that will cover that.  US/APA/AMR all know this. Just more litigation that the East will win in another 2-3 years.
 
My question stands from previous posts. If USAPA was found not liable by Silver what makes you think APA will be found liable for not using NIC
.
NICDOA
NPJB

THERE IT IS!

 

[EastUS1]

 

My question stands from previous posts. If USAPA was found not liable by Silver what makes you think APA will be found liable for not using NIC
 

 
The apparently still sustaining "spartan" fantasy that anywhere on earth, even so much as a single person lies awake at night from dreadful fear of their "army" threatening yet more futile litigation is always good for some wry chuckles.

 

[EastUS1]

Your problem over there is simple: you guys keep telling yourselves that you "bought" us and that you were growing and hiring.  Keep stewing in that pot over in PHX.  Just wait, you'll get to bid into other bases in about...oh, I'd say two years....with your LOS.  enjoy REALITY.  The West AOL sales job is simple.  No one buys it but YOU and yours.  There's a sucker born every minute.  No go and buy another tie.

 
Pretty much. Over 7 full years now, and at least some have sadly learned absolutely nothing from that passage of time and the added life experience...
 
In honor of the late Robin Williams: "Reality!...What a concept!"

 

[EastUS1]

That's the sad fact of which operation is the profitable one.  Even with the combination of just east and west, it became obvious early on that PHX was a loser.  Now, with legacy AA in the mix, PHX is little more than a joke.
 
Had Parker not been desperate to get this AA merger done, he never would have given any assurances to Arizona politicians and Washington wonks that PHX would stay open.
 
Yes, indeed, "separate ops does not mean the East gets everything and the West gets screwed."  It does mean that the company will deploy assets where they make money, and shut down the unprofitable pieces of the operations.  How's that A330 Phoenix-London route working out for you guys?  Almost every Crew News you idiots brought it up, and Parker or Kirby had to explain for the umpteeth time all the reasons that the route would not be profitable.  Economically and geographically, Phoenix is, at best, a third-rate city for airline operations.  Get over it.

 
 
However harsh it seems; nycbusdriver's observations are dead-on-the-money there...most especially the money part.

 

[EastUS1]

 
I'm looking forward to a fresh start with the APA.
 
Maybe the will suck less.

 
That's "you'se" current "sparta"-uber-alles best? = "Maybe"? Good luck with that. For the APA's intentions on seniority; think TWA, but no matter. Have there now been enough cracks made in the mighty "Shield of Leonidas" to finally allow even the slightest bit of "light"/thought through?..."Maybe"? Good for "you'se" then. Some/Any progress towards growing up is always a good thing to see.
 
Has it never honestly even occurred to any of "you'se" just what degree of a fool's errand you've been embarked on for over 7 years now?....Seriously? After all; haven't each and every one of your life and "career expectations" been taken into account by God/the universe/the world/"karma" and made true during these last 7 years alone? Would another few months or years help?

 

[flyingskier]

Which means the others were afforded the opportunity to come back, so what's your point?

The point Snap, is that you guys make it seem as tho 1800 furloughed pilots came back when in fact only 600 - 700 came back. You guys try to justify your position based on false information.

On another topic, how many pilots do you have in PHX? How many mainline flights do you have in PHX? Is it 1500 to 250? Checkout the staffing to flight ratios in CLT and PHL, what is going to happen to the size of the PHX base when a system wide bid is held? 500 to 600 displacements? Maybe it is better for you if you stay on the island in PHX..

Skier

 

[EastUS1]

For the APA's intentions on seniority; think TWA, but no matter.
P.S. If any of "you'se" even imagine otherwise, as does the likes of prechilill: "I am sure the APA will be fair to us all."...Well..."you'se" are either innocent infants or complete fools, or, if "integrity"-ridden and "righteous", self-styled "spartans"; tragically both. Good luck with your continuing fantasies.
 
Option 2? Grow up and be grateful for what "you'se" have in life. "You'se" are now part of the new American/the world's largest airline, and most of you couldn't have even managed to get a job at American earlier. Without the east franchise; "you'se" would've remained regional schmucks and this merger would've never been possible, so get over your "spartan" selves and count your blessings. You now make more money than as AWA people "yous'e" could have ever dreamed of, and will be, in a couple of years or so, able to fly the globe. GROW UP!
 

 

[Barrister]

NIC was lazy. Had he done his job and made an equitable list from top to bottom all would have moved on.
 
"Nobody puts baby in a corner"  and nobody puts a new hire above a 17 year guy. There is your albatross.
 
See guys that have been here 16 months flying international on the 767/330 having beers in Frankfurt and fine, ok cheap wine in Paris.  It should be you guys doing it. NIC screwed you and someday you will see it.
 
NICDOA
NPJB  

 

[snapthis]

The point Snap, is that you guys make it seem as tho 1800 furloughed pilots came back when in fact only 600 - 700 came back. You guys try to justify your position based on false information.

On another topic, how many pilots do you have in PHX? How many mainline flights do you have in PHX? Is it 1500 to 250? Checkout the staffing to flight ratios in CLT and PHL, what is going to happen to the size of the PHX base when a system wide bid is held? 500 to 600 displacements? Maybe it is better for you if you stay on the island in PHX..

Skier

 
It is of no coincidence that both of the top Flight Ops managers were East, the Director of training, East,  the "union against West pilots" was East. The East-centric staffing makes sense when you consider those facts and that West pilots were at a higher pay scale which played into the hands of Parker. His loyalty lies with numbers, not people.
 
Bases open, bases close. Who knows, you may be on an island.
 
I'll go to the base Nicolau sends me.
 

 

[EastUS1]

 
It is of no coincidence that both of the top Flight Ops managers were East, the Director of training, East  the "union against West pilots" was East. The East-centric staffing makes sense when you consider those facts and that West pilots were at a higher pay scale which played into the hands of Parker. His loyalty lies with numbers, not people.
 
Bases open, bases close. Who knows, you may be on an island.
 
I'll go to the base Nicolau sends me.
 

 
Sigh!...Yes...yes indeed. It's all been a well orchestrated and grand conspiracy done just to diminish your AWA-some, personal "value" and "worth", and one must almost shed tears at your current situation. Enjoy your perverse fantasies....I've too many times already offered the suggestion to just, very simply and finally, GROW UP!
 
Per: "I'll go to the base Nicolau sends me."...? No problem. "You'se" bid is on file Dorothy:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooM-RGUTe2E

 

[snapthis]

 
Sigh!...Yes...yes indeed. It's all been a well orchestrated and grand conspiracy done just to diminish your AWA-some, personal "value" and "worth", and one must almost shed tears at your current situation. Enjoy your perverse fantasies....I've too many times already offered the suggestion to just, very simply, and finally GROW UP!
 
Per: "I'll go to the base Nicolau sends me."...? No problem:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooM-RGUTe2E

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Circa 1939, AN ERA of more integrity and less reality TV and Justin Bieber
 
"Grow up" is a weak argument when addressing someone well into his 50's.
 
My fantasy is expecting people to live up to agreements which may be considered..Old fashioned.
 

 

[EastUS1]

 
'Grow up" is a weak argument when addressing someone well into his 50's.

 
Not in some cases, very obviously. In any case it's an observation/suggestion and not any "argument"...unless of course, you've something to offer other than a "varsity letter jacket" and "heroic" tales of how "I was the bully" in schoolboy-antics-rebuttal...? Aren't you "well into" your 50's?...How's such nonsense still even a strangely proud "thought" in your "mind"? Have you truly led that sheltered a life? No matter. I'm pleased to note "you'se" are at least aware at some level: "....which played into the hands of Parker. His loyalty lies with numbers, not people."
 
"My fantasy is expecting people to live up to agreements which may be considered..Old fashioned." Oh heck; I'm even more "old fashioned" than that! I expect little to nothing from people I don't personally know. Of those I choose to know? I fully expect them, as even a basic level of consideration as another human being, to respect the work and experience of others. "You'se" selfish mileage clearly varies there...