2014 Pilot Discussion

[luvthe9]

The scabz never got DOH or a contract.
USAPA=zeros.
bye

You got fenced in the desert. No 330 pay. And you help screw yourselves for years with Leonidas. Works for me.

 

[nevergiveup]

You got fenced in the desert. No 330 pay. And you help screw yourselves for years with Leonidas. Works for me.

I'm happy! Hope the west pilots are as well.

 

[CactusPilot1]

No did the west ever get the east jobs they wanted so badly.     ..._

I'll never thank 1800 scabz who wanted to took the jobs from 1800 pilots. With the help of Bular, Hogg. skinner (now demoted to Envoy) and u-scabs(a) you helped yourself enough.

Right... Scab?

 

[CactusPilot1]

You got fenced in the desert. No 330 pay. And you help screw yourselves for years with Leonidas. Works for me.

Works for me too, scab. Thank America West you got acquired to an airline you could have never been hired.

 

[algflyr]

Works for me too, scab. Thank America West you got acquired to an airline you could have never been hired.

LMAO... umm.. yeah, ok...

 

[algflyr]

I'll never thank 1800 scabz who wanted to took the jobs from 1800 pilots. With the help of Bular, Hogg. skinner (now demoted to Envoy) and u-scabs(a) you helped yourself enough.

Right... Scab?

 
I don't think anyone here ever wanted to "tooks" your jobs... We just preferred to keep ours that we brought with us to the merger...

 

[CactusPilot1]

I don't think anyone here ever wanted to "tooks" your jobs... We just preferred to keep ours that we brought with us to the merger...

I'll "keeps" mine you can keep the 1800 furloughs which we acquired. Loser

 

[snapthis]

We just preferred to keep ours that we brought with us to the merger...

 
Furloughs? No thanks.
 
 We had to make room for 1800 pilots, a third of the Airways pilots who did not have jobs until the acquired East managers in conjunction with USAPA helped themselves to furlough West pilots to make room.
 
I preferred to stay with an airline which was growing, hiring and had 6-year upgrades. Not an Airway who's business plan was no plan, rather lottery ticket provided by Parker.
 
At the expense of the Original Cactus Pilots.
 
Bottom line, we are sick of getting the short end of the mergers..
 
I'll share a thought of the day:
 
 
 
Separate ops does not mean the East gets everything and the West gets screwed
.
"What I expect is to share in the merger, the last one and this one. Waiting over a decade for the first benefit is not what I expected. If you are OK with how the PHX pilots have been treated and feel the need to apologize and justify why the west pilots have been screwed so be it. But I think the company has enough of those. Particularly not from someone that calls himself "that ALPA guy".

Before you or anyone, like the CPO tries and say this is just about my upgrade, it is not. This is about every single west pilots being screwed in this deal. This is about Ellis Ferris our number one pilots not being about to bid a WB if he wants. It is about any west pilots not being able to bid what this airline has to offer. It is about junior captains sitting reserve for 10 years and never holding a line. It is about middle captains and FO's forced to work weekends and holidays instead of advancing. It is about 16 going to be 20 year F/O's with no opportunities. It is about junior F/O' that will remain junior F/O's for the foreseeable future. It is about west pilots locked in PHX when there are based much closer to their home and they could cut down or end their commute. It is about watching third listers and furloughed pilots take opportunites that the west pilots should have available. It is about people not living up to their obligations and most importantly it is about people lying and not doing what they said they were going to do.

I understand, life is good for you. You are a captain that lives in base and got a big raise. Good for you. The rest of the pilots don't have it quite as good as you do. I am not willing to bend over and silently let Parker or any manager bone me or the rest of the PHX pilots. I don't know I guess it is a rep thing, something you should understand.

There is not much me or any west pilots can do except yell from the mountain top and point out the BS at every opportunity. When people lie to me I will call them a liar and not just let it go. I don't need to be friends with management because we all know they have not been our friends. If I piss off management because I point out the facts and call them on their BS so be it. We should all be doing that."

 

[Phoenix]

Furloughs? No thanks.
 
 We had to make room for 1800 pilots, a third of the Airways pilots who did not have jobs until the acquired East managers in conjunction with USAPA helped themselves to furlough West pilots to make room.
 
I preferred to stay with an airline which was growing, hiring and had 6-year upgrades. Not an Airway who's business plan was no plan, rather lottery ticket provided by Parker.
 
At the expense of the Original Cactus Pilots.
 
Bottom line, we are sick of getting the short end of the mergers..
 
I'll share a thought of the day:
 
 
 
Separate ops does not mean the East gets everything and the West gets screwed
.
"What I expect is to share in the merger, the last one and this one. Waiting over a decade for the first benefit is not what I expected. If you are OK with how the PHX pilots have been treated and feel the need to apologize and justify why the west pilots have been screwed so be it. But I think the company has enough of those. Particularly not from someone that calls himself "that ALPA guy".
Before you or anyone, like the CPO tries and say this is just about my upgrade, it is not. This is about every single west pilots being screwed in this deal. This is about Ellis Ferris our number one pilots not being about to bid a WB if he wants. It is about any west pilots not being able to bid what this airline has to offer. It is about junior captains sitting reserve for 10 years and never holding a line. It is about middle captains and FO's forced to work weekends and holidays instead of advancing. It is about 16 going to be 20 year F/O's with no opportunities. It is about junior F/O' that will remain junior F/O's for the foreseeable future. It is about west pilots locked in PHX when there are based much closer to their home and they could cut down or end their commute. It is about watching third listers and furloughed pilots take opportunites that the west pilots should have available. It is about people not living up to their obligations and most importantly it is about people lying and not doing what they said they were going to do.
I understand, life is good for you. You are a captain that lives in base and got a big raise. Good for you. The rest of the pilots don't have it quite as good as you do. I am not willing to bend over and silently let Parker or any manager bone me or the rest of the PHX pilots. I don't know I guess it is a rep thing, something you should understand.
There is not much me or any west pilots can do except yell from the mountain top and point out the BS at every opportunity. When people lie to me I will call them a liar and not just let it go. I don't need to be friends with management because we all know they have not been our friends. If I piss off management because I point out the facts and call them on their BS so be it. We should all be doing that."

Things have been so hard for you all. I just couldn't read through all your examples.. It made me cry.

 

[Claxon]

After October 2012, the west class followed the advice of their council marty harper, who ended up forgetting about his clients best interests.  His attempt to mend the wounds to his ego created an attention deficit on his part.
 
The mantra of harpers letters back then are emulated in the posts and attitude of the west pilots to this day. 
 
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/West_Pilot_DFR_DJ/Doc_77-5.pdf
 
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/West_Pilot_DFR_DJ/Doc_77-6.pdf
 
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/West_Pilot_DFR_DJ/Doc_77-7.pdf

 

[A320 Driver]

Furloughs? No thanks.
 
 We had to make room for 1800 pilots, a third of the Airways pilots who did not have jobs until the acquired East managers in conjunction with USAPA helped themselves to furlough West pilots to make room.
 
I preferred to stay with an airline which was growing, hiring and had 6-year upgrades. Not an Airway who's business plan was no plan, rather lottery ticket provided by Parker.
 
At the expense of the Original Cactus Pilots.


 
Bottom line, we are sick of getting the short end of the mergers..
 
I'll share a thought of the day:
 
 
 
Separate ops does not mean the East gets everything and the West gets screwed
.
"What I expect is to share in the merger, the last one and this one. Waiting over a decade for the first benefit is not what I expected. If you are OK with how the PHX pilots have been treated and feel the need to apologize and justify why the west pilots have been screwed so be it. But I think the company has enough of those. Particularly not from someone that calls himself "that ALPA guy".
Before you or anyone, like the CPO tries and say this is just about my upgrade, it is not. This is about every single west pilots being screwed in this deal. This is about Ellis Ferris our number one pilots not being about to bid a WB if he wants. It is about any west pilots not being able to bid what this airline has to offer. It is about junior captains sitting reserve for 10 years and never holding a line. It is about middle captains and FO's forced to work weekends and holidays instead of advancing. It is about 16 going to be 20 year F/O's with no opportunities. It is about junior F/O' that will remain junior F/O's for the foreseeable future. It is about west pilots locked in PHX when there are based much closer to their home and they could cut down or end their commute. It is about watching third listers and furloughed pilots take opportunites that the west pilots should have available. It is about people not living up to their obligations and most importantly it is about people lying and not doing what they said they were going to do.
I understand, life is good for you. You are a captain that lives in base and got a big raise. Good for you. The rest of the pilots don't have it quite as good as you do. I am not willing to bend over and silently let Parker or any manager bone me or the rest of the PHX pilots. I don't know I guess it is a rep thing, something you should understand.
There is not much me or any west pilots can do except yell from the mountain top and point out the BS at every opportunity. When people lie to me I will call them a liar and not just let it go. I don't need to be friends with management because we all know they have not been our friends. If I piss off management because I point out the facts and call them on their BS so be it. We should all be doing that."

Snap,
You lost LAS as a base and fully 1/4 of PHX flying has been moved in from the East. We didn't do that to you. It is what your "growing" franchise is worth. You can't dispute the numbers. What you were vs. what you are is where the former America West put you, not the East pilots. Trust me...you have nothing we want.

Two Merger committees; three lists as of December 9th, 2013; arbitration. It's a freight train and neither the West pilots or Jeff can stop it. There won't be anyone to sue much longer. For the West pilots, SLI is about to become a spectator sport. That's my opinion.

 

[Claxon]

Works for me too, scab. Thank America West you got acquired to an airline you could have never been hired.

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5t5aE0iW4o

 

[Pi brat]

Furloughs? No thanks.
 
 We had to make room for 1800 pilots, a third of the Airways pilots
 
 
 
Separate ops does not mean the East gets everything and the West gets screwed
.

So the east has 1800 more jobs than we brought to the merger? Huh, who knew?

Nic or nuthin, right?

The scary part is that some of you guys believe this BS.

 

[end_of_alpa]

 
 
Furloughs? No thanks.
 
 We had to make room for 1800 pilots, a third of the Airways pilots who did not have jobs until the acquired East managers in conjunction with USAPA helped themselves to furlough West pilots to make room.
 
I preferred to stay with an airline which was growing, hiring and had 6-year upgrades. Not an Airway who's business plan was no plan, rather lottery ticket provided by Parker.
 
At the expense of the Original Cactus Pilots.
 
Bottom line, we are sick of getting the short end of the mergers..
 
I'll share a thought of the day:
 
 
 
Separate ops does not mean the East gets everything and the West gets screwed
.
"What I expect is to share in the merger, the last one and this one. Waiting over a decade for the first benefit is not what I expected. If you are OK with how the PHX pilots have been treated and feel the need to apologize and justify why the west pilots have been screwed so be it. But I think the company has enough of those. Particularly not from someone that calls himself "that ALPA guy".

Before you or anyone, like the CPO tries and say this is just about my upgrade, it is not. This is about every single west pilots being screwed in this deal. This is about Ellis Ferris our number one pilots not being about to bid a WB if he wants. It is about any west pilots not being able to bid what this airline has to offer. It is about junior captains sitting reserve for 10 years and never holding a line. It is about middle captains and FO's forced to work weekends and holidays instead of advancing. It is about 16 going to be 20 year F/O's with no opportunities. It is about junior F/O' that will remain junior F/O's for the foreseeable future. It is about west pilots locked in PHX when there are based much closer to their home and they could cut down or end their commute. It is about watching third listers and furloughed pilots take opportunites that the west pilots should have available. It is about people not living up to their obligations and most importantly it is about people lying and not doing what they said they were going to do.

I understand, life is good for you. You are a captain that lives in base and got a big raise. Good for you. The rest of the pilots don't have it quite as good as you do. I am not willing to bend over and silently let Parker or any manager bone me or the rest of the PHX pilots. I don't know I guess it is a rep thing, something you should understand.

There is not much me or any west pilots can do except yell from the mountain top and point out the BS at every opportunity. When people lie to me I will call them a liar and not just let it go. I don't need to be friends with management because we all know they have not been our friends. If I piss off management because I point out the facts and call them on their BS so be it. We should all be doing that."
 

Your problem over there is simple: you guys keep telling yourselves that you "bought" us and that you were growing and hiring.  Keep stewing in that pot over in PHX.  Just wait, you'll get to bid into other bases in about...oh, I'd say two years....with your LOS.  enjoy REALITY.  The West AOL sales job is simple.  No one buys it but YOU and yours.  There's a sucker born every minute.  No go and buy another tie.

 

[nycbusdriver]

 
 
 We had to make room for 1800 pilots, 

 

Really????  How many of those 1800 pilots are now based in PHX, where you "had to make room" for them?
 
 
 

 
 
Separate ops does not mean the East gets everything and the West gets screwed
.

 
That's the sad fact of which operation is the profitable one.  Even with the combination of just east and west, it became obvious early on that PHX was a loser.  Now, with legacy AA in the mix, PHX is little more than a joke.
 
Had Parker not been desperate to get this AA merger done, he never would have given any assurances to Arizona politicians and Washington wonks that PHX would stay open.
 
Yes, indeed, "separate ops does not mean the East gets everything and the West gets screwed."  It does mean that the company will deploy assets where they make money, and shut down the unprofitable pieces of the operations.  How's that A330 Phoenix-London route working out for you guys?  Almost every Crew News you idiots brought it up, and Parker or Kirby had to explain for the umpteeth time all the reasons that the route would not be profitable.  Economically and geographically, Phoenix is, at best, a third-rate city for airline operations.  Get over it.