2014 Pilot Discussion

[luvthe9]

steve gay, america west pilot, cheering via tweet in the courtroom, for the company side when usapa was accused of a slow down.  His tweets were immediately posted to this forum by chip munn who acted like it was his scoop and inside info.
https://twitter.com/airbusguy2000

Munn is a creepy little traitor. Figures he hangs with that skinny weirdo who creeps out top management.
Then he acts like Clark Kent cub reporter with his big scoop. Between the holes in his head and the web postings, he comes across as a real psycho.

 

[Pi brat]

So did someone turn the light on? Not a single roach answered one of my posts, not even trader.

 

[Pi brat]

Is USCABA going to EMBARASS Itself with an actual card drive? I hope so.

They leave that job to guys like you.

 

[Phoenix]

....
A lawsuit by AOL still doesn't mean they will prevail. Their current appeal brief is extremely weak, at best.

"Extremely weak" is too kind.

Their 72 page rant can be summed up in six words... "Recalcitrant belligerence rooted in implicit assumptions"

The 9th already proved themselves to be too smart to be tricked by implicit assumptions. The judges won't let the circus pollute their court room.

 

[Claxon]

"Extremely weak" is too kind.
Their 72 page rant can be summed up in six words... "Recalcitrant belligerence rooted in implicit assumptions"
The 9th already proved themselves to be too smart to be tricked by implicit assumptions. The judges won't let the circus pollute their court room.

Marty Harper wanted to take the missus on a little trip. He filed another idiotic legal action, and Ferguson opened the checkbook. That is how it works.

 

[mrbreeze]

You voted for a MB "like" seniority integration via the MOU...you recall...the document that the fake scab union immediately sued over denying any agreement. Silver castrated USAPA. It's all APA, USAPA is dead, and it's going to arbitration just "like" MB.

It doesn't matter what was and was not voted for. 
 
The federal law regarding M/B now states that when 2 different unions are involved in a merger, meaning USAPA and APA, then M/B arbitration takes control. And, again, the law states that the only way that the West will get a seat at the table is if ALL parties agree to it, meaning USAPA/APA/AAL.
 
Keep clicking those heels....
breeze

 

[Claxon]

Eric Auxier will not fly a plane until the lavs are dumped. Eric Auxier will not take shi& from anybody.....

 

[Claxon]

The FAA required Eric Auxier to obtain a multi engine rating before he could board a plane with his testicles.

 

[dariencc]

You voted for a MB "like" seniority integration via the MOU...you recall...the document that the fake scab union immediately sued over denying any agreement. Silver castrated USAPA. It's all APA, USAPA is dead, and it's going to arbitration just "like" MB.

 
I wrote several letters to FBI Director Freeh, and in October of 1996 I was polygraphed again, by another agent with the first agent who polygraphed me present. The results were the same, he told me I had failed. I just could not believe it.
 

 

 

[Freighterguynow]

Marty Harper wanted to take the missus on a little trip. He filed another idiotic legal action, and Ferguson opened the checkbook. That is how it works.

Its like Gilligan's Island. this weeks episode has Mr Howel pushing a handful of cash at the rescue boat to go away.

 

[Claxon]

Cap'n Aux does not blog about the Oshkosh Airshow. Oshkosh blogs in Cap'n Aux s airshow.
Cap'n Aux does not ever purchase hair gel, he uses grease from his landings.
Cap'n Aux does not increase airspeed for landings in gusty winds, Cap'n Aux increases earth speed.
Cap'n Aux often briefs F16 instructors at Luke. He has given numerous graduation addresses at Fighter lead in.

 

[Claxon]

In the unlikely event of a water landing, Cap'n' Aux s ego can be used as a flotation device.
Cap'n, Aux never requires a pushback tug. He stares down the terminal until it backs away.

 

[snapthis]

"Extremely weak" is too kind.

Their 72 page rant can be summed up in six words... "Recalcitrant belligerence rooted in implicit assumptions"

The 9th already proved themselves to be too smart to be tricked by implicit assumptions. The judges won't let the circus pollute their court room.

 
Did you get to the other 200 pages? http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/West_Pilot_DFR_DJ/D13-2_WEST_PILOTS_EXCERPTS_OF_RECORD_Vol_I.pdf
 

 


98. USAPA does not have a legitimate union purpose to use
 
anything other than the Nicolau Award list to integrate East Pilots and
 
West Pilots.
 
99. USAPA, therefore, breached the duty of fair representation by
 
entering into the MOU because the MOU abandons a duty to treat the
 
Nicolau Award as final and binding.
 
Doc. 193 at 6-7). Second, the Court held:
 
 
f USAPA wishes to abandon the Nicolau Award and accept the
 
consequences of this course of action, it is free to do so. By discarding
 
the result of a valid arbitration and negotiating for a different seniority
 
regime, USAPA is running the risk that it will be sued by the
 
disadvantaged pilots when the new collective bargaining agreement is
 
finalized. An impartial arbitrator's decision regarding an appropriate
 
method of seniority integration is powerful evidence of a fair result.
 
Discarding the Nicolau Award places USAPA on dangerous ground
 
 
 
 
Pat Szymanski, counsel for USAPA, was the driving force behind the original provision as
well as Paragraph 10(h). (Transcript at 86-88). Mr. Szymanksi did not sit for a deposition
nor did he testify at trial. But inappropriately during the trial, from the well of the courtroom,
Mr. Szymanski tried to offer testimony about why USAPA proposed these provisions. The
Court refused to allow Mr. Symanski to offer unworn statements about his motivations and
invited him to take the stand, testify under oath, and be subject to cross-examination. He
declined.2 The evidence establishes, however, that Mr. Szymanski was motivated in large
Mr. Szymanski's actions on this point have been troubling.
 
 
Having agreed to the MOU, USAPA set out to convince its members to ratify the
 
MOU. In oral presentations to pilots, USAPA representatives, including Mr. Szymanski,
 
made very different statements depending on whom was being addressed. For example,
 
when Mr. Szymanski was speaking to East Pilots, he explained the MOU was beneficial
 
because, in effect, it confirmed the Nicolau Award was "dead." (Transcript at 166). But
 
when talking to West Pilots, Mr. Szymanksi stressed that the MOU was merely "neutral"
 
regarding seniority. (Transcript at 54, 95). In its written statements, USAPA reiterated this
 
alleged neutrality: "West pilots should not vote in favor of the MOU because they believe
 
it will revive the Nicolau Award, and the East pilots should not vote against it because they
 
are concerned it will cause the Nicolau Award to be implemented." (Doc. 206-1 at 41).
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

[Pi brat]

 
 
Did you get to the other 200 pages?
 

98. USAPA does not have a legitimate union purpose to use
 
anything other than the Nicolau Award list to integrate East Pilots and
 
West Pilots.
 
99. USAPA, therefore, breached the duty of fair representation by
 
entering into the MOU because the MOU abandons a duty to treat the
 
Nicolau Award as final and binding.
 
Doc. 193 at 6-7). Second, the Court held:
 
 
f USAPA wishes to abandon the Nicolau Award and accept the
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Pat Szymanski, counsel for USAPA, was the driving force behind the original provision as
well as Paragraph 10(h). (Transcript at 86-88). Mr. Szymanksi did not sit for a deposition
nor did he testify at trial. But inappropriately during the trial, from the well of the courtroom,
Mr. Szymanski tried to offer testimony about why USAPA proposed these provisions. The
Court refused to allow Mr. Symanski to offer unworn statements about his motivations and
invited him to take the stand, testify under oath, and be subject to cross-examination. He
declined.2 The evidence establishes, however, that Mr. Szymanski was motivated in large
Mr. Szymanski's actions on this point have been troubling.
 
 
Having agreed to the MOU, USAPA set out to convince its members to ratify the
 
MOU. In oral presentations to pilots, USAPA representatives, including Mr. Szymanski,
 
made very different statements depending on whom was being addressed. For example,
 
when Mr. Szymanski was speaking to East Pilots, he explained the MOU was beneficial
 
because, in effect, it confirmed the Nicolau Award was "dead." (Transcript at 166). But
 
when talking to West Pilots, Mr. Szymanksi stressed that the MOU was merely "neutral"
 
regarding seniority. (Transcript at 54, 95). In its written statements, USAPA reiterated this
 
alleged neutrality: "West pilots should not vote in favor of the MOU because they believe
 
it will revive the Nicolau Award, and the East pilots should not vote against it because they
 
are concerned it will cause the Nicolau Award to be implemented." (Doc. 206-1 at 41).
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

All 200 pages are written by your team, the same one that Judge Silver told was wrong the first time. She saidUSAPA did have a LUP, and not a DFR failure, hence the appeal. You guys seem to  think  if it's in writing from your team that it's a fact.
 
Humel gave a sworn deposition that Kirby was the driving force behind 10h. If your dream team wanted to drive home that it was really Symansky, why didn't they subpoena Kirby to blow that out of the water? He was right down the road. It could have blown USAPA's case out of the water. I suspect it's because it's a lie.
 
I'd ask aqua, but he seems to have run off again.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Weak , can you read? Guess not so the EAST abandon COC and Scope but that doesnt constitute a DFR? Snap you will have to do better than that , I recall Marty telling you to vote for it, new attornies for ya might be a good start! Seperate ops long time to come luv those ties! MM